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hi

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everyone welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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and i think the saying is uh if you

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could see behind the fourth wall

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uh boy i'm telling you this uh this show

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just

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came together um i'm in a cabin for a

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while

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and i have been having a really hard

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time getting internet here so finally i

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sent away for what's called a jetpack

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uh it's a mobile hotspot and it's

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supposed to be

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really good in this area well it was

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falling apart just a little while ago

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but anyway i think we're going to be

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able to do the show i have a bill

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in the uh in the wings to take over if i

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drop

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out i guess from now on i'm going to

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have to rent a hotel

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until i get this uh figured out but i

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want to talk about the guests we have

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matthew roberts we're starting out with

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uh he had a

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really amazing career we're going to be

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talking about that he was on the uss

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roosevelt

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and then he was a naval intelligence

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after that for 16 years

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and he'll be coming on and and at first

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and then

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uh kevin gnuth the science uh science

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involved in the sceu and in the ufo

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world uh he just uh texted me saying

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that his

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computer battery blew up uh

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and he's scrambling like crazy trying to

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make it so he can be here on the second

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don't fret if not we're going to keep

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matthew going

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but we'll we're going to be in touch

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kevin along the way and we should be

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figure that all out now the issue i have

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here

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um i can't open any windows any other

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windows or anything like that

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so uh i it's gonna be a little bit

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clunky i'll do my best

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to do as well as i can here uh the blog

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this week by charles lear is ufos over

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indonesia

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i've already gotten some feedback from

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people there that have read it

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and so check that out and he is going to

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an audio blog of that and i wish him

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good luck with some of those names he

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has to pronounce

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that should be very interesting and that

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usually comes out at the end of the week

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every week so uh we have uh on

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july 6 we have we're going to have uh

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possibly most likely a three hour show a

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special

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called the berkshire ufo show

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and you'll know more about that but it's

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gonna be pretty exciting i'll talk more

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about that as we get closer to it

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so stay tuned to hear what that's about

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but for right now uh we are going to

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bring in

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our guest for the first segment uh

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matthew welcome to the show

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thanks for having me uh did i come

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through clear that whole time

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yes you did you did

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a milestone a milestone so yeah so

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matthew uh thank you so much for for

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joining us

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and uh you know i have uh some people

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have sent me a question i

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talked a little bit um off air about it

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but for now can you introduce yourself

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and tell the listeners

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of your background and uh why you're

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to talk yeah so uh i i you know i was in

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the navy for 16 years

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i joined in 2004.

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um i joined uh

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as a cryptologist um

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and that that's what i was the entire

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in two in 2015 i was on board the uss

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theodore roosevelt that's where i was

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um for the gimbal event

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and i remember that um and after that

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i transferred to the office of naval

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intelligence where i

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ended my naval career just four years

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um and so i you know i guess i'm here

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you know we got this thing going on with

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i'm going to be on a panel hosted by

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ryan sprague and i'm going to be talking

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with jason turner and gary voorhees

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of the nimitz encounter um

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and that's going to be saturday june

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so don't miss that that should be fine

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yeah and that's uh that's in where is

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that las vegas right

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no that so it's going to be an online

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virtual event oh that's right of course

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what am i thinking yes i'm getting

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things in the desert this year

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is virtual yeah yeah and uh

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i participated last year in uh the

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international ufo congress it was an

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and it turned out really well and uh so

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the way things are going looks like next

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year will be live again and there's

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huge turnout with that so that should be

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and they they probably won't have

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internet issues either

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yeah so let's talk about the when was

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you heard about the uh you know the

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uh incident in in 2004 and and the

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that came out later when did you first

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hear about any of that stuff

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uh so i mean the gimbal footage uh the

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infamous gimbal footage was something

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that i saw back in 2015

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while i was stationed on board the

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theodore roosevelt uh

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and uh a lot of people ask me oh is

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there a longer version

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did you see a longer version was it was

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it uh clearer

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and the answer to that is no i i saw the

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exact same

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footage uh that has been released that's

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what i saw back in 2015

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and that's what i see now um

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the nimitz uh footage so from the a lot

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of people get this mixed up

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uh the nimitz footage and the the gimbal

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i didn't know anything about uh the

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encounter until the uh the new york

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times article

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i i was working at oni at that time

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um and so you know it was uh kind of

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you know when the article came out and i

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saw this footage and i'm watching this

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footage on my cell phone it was kind of

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jarring to me because um

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i couldn't make sense of why i'm now

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watching on my cell phone

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something that i first saw when i was

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in a skiff you know behind closed doors

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so i wasn't sure how it got out there

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but reading the article uh in the new

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york times and seeing that you know

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people like harry reid were quoted

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they were talking uh so i

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i thought well this has got to be you

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know some kind of legitimate

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public release you know um

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and i of course you know people in my

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family

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started calling me uh

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and it was very uncomfortable i i did

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want to have that conversation with them

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my job was something that i never

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discussed with my family

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um so that was that was incredibly

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uncomfortable

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for me i mean i i was first alerted to

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the article by my brother

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he texted the the link to it and the

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link to the footage

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and uh he texted that to me and i knew

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he'd be calling me about it later

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and sure enough he did and uh

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i just kind of choked as i was talking

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to him because it was

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it felt so wrong you know i i didn't

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i didn't want to that uh and

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did it have anything to do with your mda

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what made you uncomfortable about it um

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you know being uh in in that field

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uh i sign a blanket nda

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you know that uh anything classified i'm

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not gonna talk about it

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um so you know i

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i never even discussed the nature of my

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job with my family they had no

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idea what i did um they just knew

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i couldn't talk about it um

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and actually even towards the end of my

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career i was talking to my dad about

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something very technical

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and he just kind of looked at me very

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puzzled and he's like what do you do

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all day and i said well

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you know uh kind of dodge question

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yeah stop it you stop yeah right right

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um well um so a question that

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comes up a lot of times and um is

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you probably know things that you can't

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and i guess um but

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can i ask you if you does that involve

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um or is that something you can't even

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say

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you know there was uh

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there were there was a lot more that

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happened uh during that roosevelt

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incident that i

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some of that some of that is just very

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uh boring and um

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and people would be very uh

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not amazed by it but i think it's

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relevant

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um but uh you know

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it's just not something i can talk about

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well i love your poster in the back the

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uh so listen when you were uh

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you said earlier that you have seen the

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same video that we have all seen

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does that mean that um that's all that

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exists

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or does that mean that's all that you

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were able to see

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um that's all i saw at the time i i

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don't know if there's more footage that

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i would not be surprised if there was uh

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i can't confirm i i just don't know i

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i i but it to me it would be very

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surprising if there wasn't

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more you know on okay on the three

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videos that were

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declassified and we're going around the

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gimbal the

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go fast and uh what was the third one

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um i'm just tic tac yeah thank you

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of course um so those three videos that

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were going around

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uh i did hear someone that was a pilot

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say that he knew that the go fast

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was a lock on a drone

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and uh have you heard people talk

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about that in particular oh i've

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i've heard people say all kinds of

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things that

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uh that it's uh a drone it's a balloon

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it's uh swamp gas i mean

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you name it i yeah i i

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the thing about this is that um

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a lot of these people that are that are

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so called

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self-proclaimed debunkers uh

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a lot of them don't know what they're

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talking about they've never spent

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a day in the navy they they don't know

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how these things work

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uh they don't know how our aircraft work

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they don't know how our radar systems

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work

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uh this was not a drone i

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in my opinion um this was not

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some kind of technology i think that

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would be easy to come by

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uh you couldn't go down to radio shack

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and buy this

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um yeah so i and and you know

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it just it really bothers me that um

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people will buy into this uh buy into

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these theories by these debunkers that

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have no idea what they're talking about

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because what it portrays is it portrays

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us in the navy as a bunch of you know

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barney feist out there

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on the water and we couldn't find our

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way out of a paper bag

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you know what i mean i and that is just

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not the case if there is something that

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is iden

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unidentified it's unidentified because

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we have exhausted

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um every avenue

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uh to explain it um you better believe

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that

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uh yeah i mean if one of the things

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go ahead i mean think about it for a

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second we've got a billion

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plus dollar asset multi billions of

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dollars worth of technology

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uh out there floating in a strike group

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and to and i guess the public maybe

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think that

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uh it's perfectly okay that there's some

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kind of unidentified

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aerial target just um

341
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you know flying around willy-nilly and

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that we aren't gonna try

343
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to do our best to get to the bottom of

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that it's just

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it's ridiculous it really is ridiculous

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uh these pilots they're trained

347
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uh if you're taking off the deck of an

348
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aircraft carrier and landing on the deck

349
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of an aircraft carrier this is not your

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first rodeo

351
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you know you have seen uh these things

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that fly in the sky

353
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whether they be balloons you know what

354
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you're looking at

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um or if or if you're talking about i

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think there was one guy who says it was

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a

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inexperience

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i mean i i can appreciate that they're

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trying to figure it out

361
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but uh if you're not going to do the

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research

363
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and um and you're going to speak out of

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turn

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um you better be prepared prepared for

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the blowback that is coming because

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uh i mean we don't have millions of

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dollars

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worth of sensors and equipment on an

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aircraft and on

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our ships um

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you know for for no reason and nobody

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knows how to use it that's just

374
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that's insane i mean but that's what

375
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these debunkers would have you believe

376
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you know that's right there's a longtime

377
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uh

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ufo researcher that passed away a few

379
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years ago stanton friedman

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and he used to say you know it was by

381
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proclamation

382
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that's how they would they would uh they

383
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would debunk something by proclamation

384
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and you know uh you talk about the

385
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military um

386
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i would say in the private sector or

387
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however you want to term it

388
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we've been dealing with the debunkers uh

389
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all along

390
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you know since the what they say the

391
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modern ufa ufo age starting in

392
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the four late 40s um so there's been

393
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there's always been the debunkers

394
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and a lot of you know i think a lot of

395
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that has to do with that is it's a

396
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fear-based thing

397
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you know like what is this and we can't

398
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explain it so

399
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we have to do something about it so i

400
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think it's

401
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based in that way and i know what you're

402
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talking about

403
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um with all with all the equipment and i

404
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i had uh mick west

405
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um on talking about his thoughts

406
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on what he thought the i think it was

407
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the uh

408
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the tic tac was and then i had kevin day

409
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on

410
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to to basically tell his side why it

411
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couldn't be what mick west was saying

412
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and when he got done mick west said

413
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something like

414
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well i can see now why it wouldn't be

415
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you know an f-18

416
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hornet um you know that type of thing

417
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because of course there was no

418
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transponders and the thing the all the

419
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sensing equipment would recognize what

420
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it was and you know

421
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on and on and on and on with what you're

422
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talking about billions of dollars worth

423
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of equipment is not gonna

424
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um get it that wrong um

425
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and the you know the thing you know i

426
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don't know if you've heard this or not

427
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:25,520
heard this but

428
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these characteristics have been around

429
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for a long time

430
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and so when you talk about if it's

431
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military if it's russian

432
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uh black project or whatever or chinese

433
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possibly well they were doing the same

434
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thing

435
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you know 50 years ago and uh

436
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you know what would be the answer to

437
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that not being available or

438
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used in any you know conflict that we'd

439
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have

440
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it's right yeah it's very debatable you

441
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:54,240
know and some of these

442
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uh there there are people too that

443
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believe that this is our technology but

444
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:02,480
uh at least in in in the roosevelt

445
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:04,880
incident i mean you can you can see how

446
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that's not the case because

447
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we we we first encountered these things

448
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when we were doing workups

449
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off the coast of florida right and so

450
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and i've been involved in tests where

451
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they're they're testing new equipment

452
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uh everyone is informed everybody knows

453
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what's happening

454
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so that there are no surprises uh

455
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and this was not the case with this

456
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incident

457
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uh nobody was told anything um

458
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and and in order to believe that this

459
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was

460
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our technology uh knowing that

461
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okay well when we were deployed they

462
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came back

463
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so we were in the gulf and we

464
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encountered them again

465
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so amazing amazing so this is not our

466
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technology we would not

467
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put our own technology in

468
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,960
now a live fire scenario where you've

469
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got jets taking off

470
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that are armed you know that's a very

471
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dangerous situation

472
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and knowing the capabilities of these

473
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craft

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um if we had them we don't have many

475
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uh and they would be multi-billion

476
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dollar assets

477
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and you're gonna put that in the line of

478
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fire that's ridiculous

479
00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:25,760
that is ridiculous it's absurd really

480
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so many so many arguments and uh uh uh

481
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we we get questions in chat i'm gonna

482
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pop this one up

483
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and uh this is from anonymous rex he did

484
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you

485
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or any other witnesses on the ship

486
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report having mental contact or

487
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repeating dreams after these events took

488
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place

489
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so report i mean that's

490
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that's kind of a a difficult thing

491
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because

492
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in order to report something in the

493
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military

494
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there has to be a chain um for that to

495
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happen

496
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right and there would have not

497
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:09,600
been any chain for that to have happened

498
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:10,159
there

499
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:13,679
you can go to and report

500
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i'm having crazy dreams uh now since

501
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:18,080
this incident

502
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uh or i'm having experiences now

503
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:25,120
uh if there was such a person

504
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they were unknown to me you know uh

505
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and that i i i think that that kind of

506
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:33,440
thing is probably

507
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uh changing now with the task force

508
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they're becoming better

509
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,280
about having people report pilots

510
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:43,919
in particular reporting when they see

511
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these things

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up in the air

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[Music]

514
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but but back in 2015 there was there was

515
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no such thing that i was aware of

516
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and you know the the one thing you

517
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talked about earlier

518
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:59,520
you were saying why would they have

519
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:01,600
these things in the line of fire

520
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,720
of such important assets what really has

521
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,480
puzzled me all along and i've mentioned

522
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:08,159
just some people have been on this show

523
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:09,360
gary voris and

524
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:13,520
kevin day and uh i think someone else uh

525
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,720
why wasn't when this was happening i'm

526
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,480
talking about the nimitz case of course

527
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,480
before your time but i'm asking you to

528
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:22,320
speculate why wasn't

529
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the military really interested in what

530
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,440
these things are and tracking them down

531
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,280
i mean why why did it just kind of go

532
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,919
away and kind of not you know kind of

533
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:34,080
like someone supposedly took the bricks

534
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away

535
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:38,240
they had the data on it um from the um

536
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,039
hawkeye

537
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,120
but you know that type of thing but they

538
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:43,360
didn't want to find out what it was i

539
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,149
you know i i don't know my my

540
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:52,640
speculation would be

541
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:55,520
uh the same reason why this happened in

542
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:56,480
the public

543
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:59,600
sphere you know why science has ignored

544
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:00,159
this

545
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,679
because you have to ignore it

546
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,760
you have to ignore it or you have to

547
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,039
change your world view

548
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,240
those are your two choices

549
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:12,320
yeah and so and so that's what's

550
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:13,760
happening here

551
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,960
and and you know a lot of people

552
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,880
now are waiting for this report they

553
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,400
think oh you know the scientific

554
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,080
community is now gonna

555
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:24,159
they're gonna come in line you know and

556
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:25,520
they're

557
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:29,039
don't see that happening

558
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,080
i think i think that

559
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:34,000
what people don't understand about

560
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:35,520
science is that

561
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,720
uh it is a religion um

562
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:40,720
and it is a group of people that writ

563
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:42,559
large are practicing

564
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,240
their world view um and so now you're

565
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:48,080
going to ask them to change their world

566
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:49,280
view

567
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:50,960
and people are not going to be so

568
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:53,440
willing to do that i've seen evidence of

569
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,159
this in

570
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:56,559
people who study consciousness uh

571
00:23:03,909 --> 00:22:59,919
there's one such guy who was a uh

572
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:03,919
he was a um you know a uh

573
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:07,039
a nobel laureate um in physics and now

574
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:08,559
he studies consciousness

575
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:11,600
um and there's a

576
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:14,880
a great guy mark gober who has this uh

577
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,320
podcast that's just 12 episodes that he

578
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,960
went along with his book but he talks to

579
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,320
scientists that are studying

580
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,000
consciousness and there was one woman

581
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,559
who was presenting her work at a

582
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,480
scientific conference and one of her

583
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,720
colleagues came up to her and said

584
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,480
you know i don't care what evidence you

585
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:34,240
produce i'm just never going to believe

586
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:35,679
it

587
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:38,720
and so that's this is science today

588
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:41,279
right yeah and and this is something

589
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,760
that

590
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,679
you know they they like to talk about

591
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:44,880
galileo

592
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:48,159
you know and yeah oh we were science uh

593
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,279
they ignored him

594
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,279
or whatever and but they don't

595
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,960
understand that they're on that side of

596
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:53,760
the argument

597
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:56,799
right i mean today i people like me

598
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,880
and experiencers and people have seen

599
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,400
these things are saying come

600
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,679
you know take a look through our

601
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:04,559
telescope and science writ large is

602
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:05,440
saying

603
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,880
i want nothing to do with that

604
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,120
witchcraft you know

605
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:11,679
and that's yeah i'm going to be talking

606
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:12,880
our the next guest

607
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,000
is a scientist and uh and this

608
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:18,159
is basically one of the things he wants

609
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,600
to talk about the most

610
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:21,440
when he comes on this episode i mean the

611
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:22,640
next episode

612
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:25,760
um borrowing that his computer battery

613
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:29,039
is indeed replaced but uh um so i want

614
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,240
to tell people that

615
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,880
are in the chat if you want um i'm not

616
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,320
going to be able to post a lot of it's

617
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,000
it's really difficult with my internet

618
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,080
but um and it says i can't participate

619
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:40,799
in chat or anything like that but anyway

620
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,919
if you want to

621
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:44,000
post a question for our guests please

622
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,600
put them in all caps

623
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:47,279
and i'll i'll try to put them up on the

624
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,880
screen if it makes sense to put up at

625
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,080
the time

626
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,200
so um i don't know what

627
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:55,120
what's going to happen with this report

628
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,240
um i i

629
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,559
i'll tell you i got feeling you know a

630
00:25:01,110 --> 00:25:00,320
gut feeling is that it's going to be

631
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:01,120
minimized

632
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:04,480
whatever uh has found out but i don't

633
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,600
know for sure i mean it'll be

634
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:07,120
interesting

635
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:10,320
well i'll say this too that uh you know

636
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:11,200
a lot of people

637
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,080
may be waiting for the government to

638
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,919
announce that it's aliens

639
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,760
right but something that you have to

640
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:19,600
understand though too is that

641
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:22,960
uh to say that it's alien um is

642
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,400
a much higher threshold to cross

643
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:28,960
right if you if you would have to have

644
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,760
evidence

645
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,840
that they came here from another planet

646
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:32,960
and how would we

647
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:36,159
possibly have that you know i so i think

648
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:36,880
at best

649
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,840
what we could say is that it's non-human

650
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,760
intelligence um and that's probably the

651
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,880
best we could do

652
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:47,360
at this point um that's a very good

653
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,240
point

654
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:50,240
yeah because otherwise the evidence we

655
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,520
would have to have we would have to have

656
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,200
you know maybe

657
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,200
a picture of the surface of some planet

658
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:57,039
and see these beings on the surface of

659
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:57,760
it and

660
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,559
we're not going to have that we don't

661
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,000
have the technology

662
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:05,279
that would allow us to see that so so i

663
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,240
i think

664
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,279
you know hold on to the alien theory

665
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,039
because that's not going to be proven

666
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:12,640
for quite some time

667
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:15,760
um right right hey so

668
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,159
someone posted a question but before i

669
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:20,799
post it up there i want to ask you this

670
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:23,760
um what did you think when you first saw

671
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:24,240
that

672
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,600
video your first thought was

673
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,520
right away did you say what the heck is

674
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,360
this i mean and the people that was

675
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:33,360
observing it with you at the same time

676
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:33,840
what was

677
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:36,880
were looking at

678
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:40,400
um yeah so you know uh i first became

679
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:41,440
aware of it

680
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:44,640
after we had finished our workups and um

681
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,400
a buddy of mine who kind of worked more

682
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,000
closely with the pilots in

683
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:52,400
intel came into my space and he said hey

684
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:53,520
check this out

685
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:56,720
and so me and all my guys we gathered

686
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:57,440
around

687
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,960
my computer and i pulled it up and we

688
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:02,320
watched it

689
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,440
and i mean you could have heard a pin

690
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:06,720
drop in there

691
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,240
um because

692
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,559
it was just to me it was the most

693
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:14,400
amazing thing i'd ever seen in my life i

694
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,880
mean i

695
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:17,360
i could not make sense of what i was

696
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:18,159
looking at

697
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,840
in this was this the gimbal one in

698
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,279
particular mm-hmm

699
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:23,120
gimbal footage that one i think is the

700
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,559
most incredible of course the

701
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:26,880
the uh not to take anything away from

702
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,600
the tic tac

703
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,200
but on the three of them that one is

704
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:31,360
really pretty amazing to me

705
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,960
yeah yeah and you know i i

706
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,799
personally i watched it over and over

707
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,240
again we went on

708
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,320
nine months if you did yeah we went on a

709
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:42,080
nine month long deployment yeah there's

710
00:28:22,549 --> 00:27:42,640
a

711
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:22,559
i left

712
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,600
uh on i is because

713
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,159
while i was working there i began to

714
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:30,880
have these very

715
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,240
uh powerful and profound follow-on

716
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:36,480
experiences with the phenomenon

717
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:39,760
where i had uh

718
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:46,950
so wow i wasn't ready for that one

719
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:50,000
yes um yeah but um but let's hear about

720
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:50,640
it

721
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,600
changed me uh

722
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,640
in every way imaginable um

723
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,720
it's it's it was it was incredibly

724
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:08,960
emotional at the time

725
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,240
uh but uh one of the reasons why

726
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,799
i wrote the book i wrote is because this

727
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,080
is such a complex

728
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,520
issue and i i wanted people to

729
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:21,120
understand

730
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:24,720
what i had been through um

731
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:28,080
and if i can lend my voice of

732
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,600
credibility

733
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,080
to that experience or end of things and

734
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,080
that's what i'm going to do

735
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,120
um i

736
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:40,080
i don't like the fact that this has been

737
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,039
locked up

738
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,320
and people aren't talking about it uh

739
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:46,559
i think that we've done ourselves an

740
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,549
and um i you know so for me there was no

741
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,159
there was no question as to whether or

742
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,679
not i was going to talk about my own

743
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:59,840
personal experiences because i knew they

744
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:00,799
were real

745
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,039
you know and i'm not mentally ill uh

746
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,080
i i mean i i have been told that i

747
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:11,120
am the most level-headed person that a

748
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:12,559
lot of people have ever met in their

749
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:13,360
lives

750
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,120
you know and so for me to be that

751
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,240
and to come out and say i had

752
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:23,039
non-human entities in my room at night

753
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,240
um

754
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,720
and not only that they were there but

755
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,360
that they taught me things

756
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,760
that's the most incredible part of this

757
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:33,279
is what i was taught

758
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,279
um and i will tell the scientific

759
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:39,120
community right now if you were

760
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,000
listening

761
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,039
um this is not a joke uh

762
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:45,279
i was taught things about human

763
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,240
psychology i was taught things

764
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:51,360
about consciousness and how to

765
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,120
bring that about in the psyche and

766
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,919
this process that they put me through

767
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,200
was the process that

768
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,679
they want me to put others through right

769
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:03,679
it is reproducible

770
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:07,279
it is predictable you can study it

771
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:11,600
uh so scientists if you're listening um

772
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,440
i i'm ready to tell you what i know

773
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,360
you know and let me ask you this was

774
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,279
this a two-way street like a

775
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,279
communication between

776
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:23,919
you and them or were these some people

777
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,799
have called them like

778
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,559
downloads i've heard people say it's

779
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,000
like a download

780
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,960
how would you describe that experience

781
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:31,600
ah

782
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,720
so i

783
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,559
i i'll start off by saying this so this

784
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:38,480
completely changed my world view

785
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,159
um i was not a believer in

786
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,480
uh i never thought about consciousness

787
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:46,000
it wasn't something that really ever

788
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:50,080
occurred to me um i did not believe

789
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,559
in you know angels or

790
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:57,600
uh spirits or ghosts or any of that

791
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,080
stuff

792
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,799
right i thought when you dye your worm

793
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:02,880
food and that's all there is to it

794
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:06,000
um but they showed me otherwise

795
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:09,600
um i i had dreams so

796
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:12,640
here's here's one instance i had a dream

797
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:13,200
in which

798
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:17,279
i was sitting across from an elderly

799
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,640
gentleman during these experiences right

800
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,960
and he was teaching me about human

801
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,120
psychology

802
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,240
uh and as i woke up that morning

803
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,640
i mean he was telling me things like it

804
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,480
was like a sit down it was like a

805
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,000
classroom

806
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,080
so he's teaching me about this uh and

807
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:37,840
i'm asking him questions and he's

808
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:38,960
answering me

809
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:42,320
you know this was significant and

810
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,039
profound

811
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,880
and as i'm waking up in the morning i

812
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,720
hear the name robert moore

813
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:48,320
running through my head so i wrote it

814
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,080
down i had no idea who this man was

815
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,000
uh i thought you know maybe he wrote

816
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,320
some books or something

817
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,640
so i i looked him up when i got home

818
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,600
from work that day

819
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,519
and found out that he was a union

820
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:03,600
psychoanalyst

821
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,640
and i was i was

822
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:08,559
reading one of his books the book was

823
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,679
called the archetype of

824
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,320
initiation and that was when i first

825
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,799
began to understand the totality of the

826
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,720
experiences that i was having

827
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,679
it was an initiation a consciousness

828
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,760
initiation

829
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:23,440
and that they have always been doing

830
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:26,320
this uh this is this is what they do for

831
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:26,880
us

832
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:30,799
um and that's their job

833
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,919
uh they make it their job um and these

834
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:35,760
experiences are

835
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:38,480
incredibly emotional they're powerful

836
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:39,039
they are

837
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:45,279
um and but but in the end if you do it

838
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,399
correctly

839
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,480
you'll understand because you will come

840
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:50,799
into this higher consciousness

841
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:53,200
and then it's like oh that's what all

842
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,399
this is about

843
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,039
right and so as i was reading archetype

844
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,120
of initiation i put it down one day

845
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,200
and robert moore's picture was on the

846
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,039
back of the book

847
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,200
and i i saw the picture and i was like

848
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:06,799
that is the guy

849
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,240
from my dream you know i was like this

850
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,440
is unreal you know

851
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:16,399
uh and i'm assuming he's not with us

852
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:17,200
anymore

853
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,839
no he he uh he passed away about a year

854
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:20,399
before

855
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:24,079
my experiences began but um

856
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:25,679
and let me ask you this were you go

857
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:28,399
ahead but he was a he was a significant

858
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:31,599
uh i mean he had a phd he wrote several

859
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:32,240
books

860
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:35,679
all about this uh consciousness stuff

861
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,480
um and about and about union

862
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:40,240
psychoanalysis because that's what he

863
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:41,520
did for a living

864
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,919
um so i i mean

865
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,760
that that's what he did and that that

866
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,599
that's exactly what he was teaching me

867
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,079
in my dreams i still remember the dream

868
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:54,720
uh i remember the things that he told me

869
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:55,119
um

870
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,440
[Music]

871
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:02,880
and uh it's just it's incredible

872
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:06,640
now can you were you able to different

873
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,960
uh to um actually understand whether

874
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:12,320
you're having a dream

875
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:16,960
or if there was actually entities yes

876
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,560
yes uh so i did have dreams where there

877
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,320
were entities some of the entities i had

878
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:24,400
seen in my room

879
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:28,079
uh beforehand um

880
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:32,240
and and then i would see them in a dream

881
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,760
uh and it was just it was

882
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,400
the dreams were just bizarre i mean like

883
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:39,760
one one dream i had

884
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,200
i i saw this guy in my room

885
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,079
that uh he looked like a yard gnome this

886
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,240
is the only way i can describe him

887
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:51,359
i mean he was short uh he had a

888
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:54,480
locked curled white beard

889
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:58,880
um and and his hair was the same way

890
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,760
and he was just staring at me across my

891
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:03,119
nightstand

892
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:10,150
and i saw him later in a dream so i i

893
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,359
you know i probably could have been

894
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:13,440
diagnosed with something like uh what's

895
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:13,839
that

896
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,480
where you have to go to sleep um

897
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,240
narcolepsy

898
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,000
because i would have these episodes

899
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,839
where all of the sudden i would get very

900
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:23,040
tired

901
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,480
and i knew i was going to go to sleep um

902
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:28,800
so in one such instance i i was coming

903
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,760
home from work

904
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,520
and i started to feel heavy and i was

905
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:33,520
like i am gonna fall asleep i need to

906
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:34,560
get to a bed

907
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:38,480
right now um and so i ran upstairs and i

908
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:39,599
jumped in my bed

909
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:42,880
and i jumped right into this dream

910
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:46,000
it was me and this small man were flying

911
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:47,200
through the air

912
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:50,720
um and it was cloudy outside

913
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:53,440
uh there was a storm so there was fog

914
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:54,160
and everything

915
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,839
i mean and we landed right outside

916
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,560
uh the building where i worked um where

917
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,640
the flagpole was

918
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,000
and he's standing there and he's

919
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:06,640
pointing at this beetle

920
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,520
on the ground it was it was bizarre

921
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:11,359
because i i had seen that beetle by the

922
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,320
flagpole

923
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,800
and it was dead and it was it's like the

924
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,640
size of my fist it was like the biggest

925
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,480
beetle i've ever seen in my life

926
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:21,200
right so he's standing there and he's

927
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,160
pointing at it

928
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:25,440
and looking at me uh

929
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:28,480
and then you know we go inside

930
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:32,560
i i meet some other entities uh

931
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,240
and then we go up to my workspace and i

932
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:38,160
assume that we're

933
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:41,200
going to my desk for some reason

934
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,760
and um so we're walking past

935
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,520
one of my co-workers desks and there's

936
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:48,960
an old woman sitting there and i knew

937
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:56,790
and uh as we approached she jumped up

938
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,000
and she said have you seen my grandson

939
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:03,119
and i said yes yeah i've seen him and

940
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,000
she's like well how

941
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:07,440
is he you know and i said he's gonna be

942
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:08,720
just fine

943
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:12,240
um and i told her it's time to rest now

944
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,680
and so she nodded and um she held out

945
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,160
her hand tonight

946
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:20,400
took it and i i walked her into the

947
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,280
light that

948
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,119
had opened up there was this wall of

949
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:25,680
light that just opened up and i

950
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:28,720
i walked her into it and um

951
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:31,680
that was it i mean it was so they showed

952
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:32,240
me

953
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,800
you know death is not final um i i could

954
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:39,839
meet these people

955
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,280
after they had died um and you know

956
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,520
these were things that i was resisting i

957
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,359
they were they told me all kinds of

958
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:49,440
things they played music for me that i

959
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:49,839
just

960
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:52,480
i was like no this that is not what this

961
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:52,960
is

962
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,480
one one of the songs was uh

963
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,320
coldplay's hymn for the weekend that

964
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:00,800
they played very early on

965
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:04,000
and the first lyrics talk about angels

966
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:05,280
sent from up above

967
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:08,480
and i was like no no you know that is

968
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:11,760
that is not what this is um and then

969
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:12,800
they were like well

970
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:16,640
let's let's show you and so they did

971
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:21,040
uh and um so you know the idea of

972
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,119
angels in the bible um and i can see how

973
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,720
the experience that i went through is

974
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:29,520
what underlies all the world's religions

975
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:33,119
and gave birth to them um that much is

976
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,640
absolutely clear to me wow

977
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,400
well you know i i gotta tell you i think

978
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,560
you're you're you're actually very brave

979
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,400
to talk about this stuff

980
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:45,040
in a public forum but since you're

981
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:45,680
sharing this

982
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,400
i will be happy to share something that

983
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,240
happened to me about my grandmother it's

984
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,920
probably not related in any type of way

985
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:53,599
but it was very interesting

986
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,720
i was very close to her um

987
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,800
extremely close to her and she passed

988
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,200
away i was not able to go to the funeral

989
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:04,000
she lived in georgia my father flew down

990
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:05,839
was there and he came back

991
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:08,800
and my father when he was back the first

992
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,520
night

993
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,359
i had a dream that my grandmother was

994
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,800
standing there and

995
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,720
it was like the most realistic dream i

996
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,319
ever had yeah

997
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,640
she was wearing a long pink dress now

998
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:20,079
she always had her hair

999
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:22,960
up always and she had her hair down and

1000
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:23,440
she had

1001
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,480
pearl necklace on and so i described it

1002
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:28,480
to my father and he turned white he said

1003
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,599
that's exactly how she was buried

1004
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,760
you know and whether that means anything

1005
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:35,599
or not but that's always stuck with me

1006
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,520
because i was only like 15 or something

1007
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,400
at the time

1008
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,400
and whether there was anything to it it

1009
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,640
was coincidence whatever it was

1010
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,960
she said don't worry about me anymore

1011
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,000
i'm okay

1012
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:48,560
that's what you said to me in the dream

1013
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:49,440
so

1014
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,200
uh and i don't know if there's anything

1015
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:53,760
to it i know this is a show about ufos

1016
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,040
right but this is still uh you know uh a

1017
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,119
jag that i think is fascinating

1018
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,520
well i mean so this is this is a show

1019
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:03,440
about ufos but all of this stuff is

1020
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:04,160
related

1021
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,680
right because it all comes back to

1022
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:07,599
consciousness and what that is

1023
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,400
uh and so you can't talk about

1024
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,319
consciousness without acknowledging the

1025
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:14,000
fact that there is no such thing as

1026
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:14,720
death

1027
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,800
uh and i i know that these initiations

1028
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:20,960
have been practiced

1029
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,680
in ancient times they were what we call

1030
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,520
the greek mysteries

1031
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:27,440
there were the roman mysteries the

1032
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,920
gnostic mysteries

1033
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,760
they've all had their mystery schools

1034
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,280
all these religions

1035
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,920
and it was all about this experience and

1036
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:38,000
once you finish this experience it was

1037
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,359
said that you would come back to your

1038
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:40,960
family

1039
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:44,400
and you would be unafraid of death

1040
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,160
and completely changed because because

1041
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,160
you'll know right because you'll have

1042
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,920
experiences like you had with your

1043
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,280
grandmother

1044
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,880
um you'll have experiences where

1045
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,720
you may be told something in a dream

1046
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,400
that something is going to happen

1047
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,640
and then it happens or you may be

1048
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,400
introduced to some concept you didn't

1049
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,319
know about in a dream and yet you can

1050
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:07,280
wake up

1051
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,560
in your waking life and google that and

1052
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,520
there it is you know and and how can you

1053
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:14,960
deny that

1054
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:18,640
uh you can't

1055
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,000
um at least for me it got to a point

1056
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,920
where i i was resisting all of this

1057
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:25,760
stuff and i did not want to believe it

1058
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,760
and i after a while i i realized well

1059
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,599
i better just believe it because

1060
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,880
otherwise they're going to show me and

1061
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:34,880
that's going to be very uncomfortable

1062
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:38,960
um and because when you resist

1063
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,839
they will show you and uh it will be

1064
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:43,599
incredibly painful

1065
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,599
and uh in some cases terrifying

1066
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,160
you know that you're that your world

1067
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,839
view is just shattered

1068
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,160
in this way you know and when you say p

1069
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,760
when you say painful do you mean

1070
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,079
emotionally painful

1071
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,040
oh yeah yeah and you know part of this

1072
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,359
so this is a natural occurrence

1073
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,520
in in the human psyche and it takes

1074
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:06,720
place in the brain

1075
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:10,079
right and and so in my case i

1076
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,760
began to enter this state of incredibly

1077
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,800
deep depression

1078
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,480
it was the deepest depression i have

1079
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,920
ever felt in my life i

1080
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,440
there were days i would come home from

1081
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:21,359
work and all i could do was lay on the

1082
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,560
floor of my bedroom

1083
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:25,200
and cry like a baby shivering under a

1084
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,160
blanket

1085
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,319
and my teeth are chattering i mean

1086
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,160
that's how much pain

1087
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:33,920
i was in but in terms of science

1088
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:37,520
you know uh depression like this will

1089
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,359
increase neuroplasticity in the brain

1090
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:43,200
and so you're forming new neural

1091
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:44,640
connections

1092
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,000
right and in doing so uh

1093
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,560
you are becoming in touch with

1094
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,160
consciousness the universal

1095
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,670
and once you experience that uh it is

1096
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,520
absolutely undeniable

1097
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,640
um and and in going through this

1098
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:04,160
experience there will be things that

1099
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:05,359
will happen

1100
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:08,560
that will be extreme coincidences that

1101
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:11,920
uh will just rock your world

1102
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,000
because the only way to

1103
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:18,000
logically come to any conclusion about

1104
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,040
that is that

1105
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,400
everything must be purposeful um

1106
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,800
there's no way this is a coincidence uh

1107
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:25,680
you'll have

1108
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:28,960
impossible coincidences that will happen

1109
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:34,240
um and that will that will terrify you

1110
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,240
now when was this happening

1111
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,720
were you actually not in naval

1112
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,720
intelligence at the time were you

1113
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:45,040
yeah i was working at o and i when this

1114
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:46,560
was happening to me

1115
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,359
uh and did you share it with anyone

1116
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:54,240
i'm not saying from there but in general

1117
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:54,560
i

1118
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:01,920
them

1119
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:04,720
not initially initially i kept it to

1120
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,839
myself until i knew what it was about

1121
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,200
and you know that's one of the things

1122
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:11,599
that i want people to understand about

1123
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,319
what i did

1124
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:15,200
i i had no preconceived notions about

1125
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:16,160
this i didn't

1126
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:19,760
i didn't follow ufology i

1127
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,119
was not a believer in any of this uh

1128
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,040
i didn't even know what was real what

1129
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,640
was fact what was fiction

1130
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,520
i didn't know anything you know so so

1131
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:31,200
when i had something that was happening

1132
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:31,680
to me

1133
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,680
i would then drill down on that i'd say

1134
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,800
okay

1135
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:37,040
uh let's drill down on that and see

1136
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,400
what's there

1137
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,319
because that was my analytical mind i

1138
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:42,160
was i'm a trained analyst

1139
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,680
you know and so uh

1140
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,040
something else would happen and then i

1141
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:48,880
would drill down on that

1142
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,480
uh and and and so i was very careful

1143
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,960
about reaching conclusions with this and

1144
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,000
i and i

1145
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:59,119
i used my book to kind of walk readers

1146
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,880
through that

1147
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,480
through my experience so they can

1148
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:03,920
understand

1149
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:06,560
how i arrived at the conclusions that i

1150
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:07,440
did

1151
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,359
um and i yeah i would talk to people at

1152
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:13,440
work about it

1153
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,670
my immediate co-workers uh we would go

1154
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,119
down to the cafeteria

1155
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:23,920
and eat lunch every day but on

1156
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:26,079
wednesdays we had what was called woke

1157
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,599
wednesdays

1158
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,240
and uh they would just ask me about life

1159
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:32,240
and i would answer their questions

1160
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,319
uh you know almost like i was some kind

1161
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:37,839
of a guru or something

1162
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,839
um but they they like to build my brain

1163
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,640
yeah that's awesome

1164
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,400
you know what i'd like to do i'm gonna

1165
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,880
go uh non-conventional

1166
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,400
i'm gonna put you on the spot too at the

1167
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:50,560
same time uh do you mind hanging out

1168
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:51,119
with us

1169
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:54,079
you have the time to do that are you

1170
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,040
willing to

1171
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,599
oh yeah sure absolutely and uh and then

1172
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:59,760
here's the second part of the question

1173
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,319
i'd like to bring uh professor kevin

1174
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,000
knuthen at the same time

1175
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,079
okay and i'd like for him to hear what

1176
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,240
you say because i would like to

1177
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:10,000
also question you about something you

1178
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:11,280
said earlier and

1179
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,720
and i'd like for kevin to kind of maybe

1180
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:17,440
uh comment on it so i'm going to bring

1181
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:17,920
him in

1182
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:22,000
right now kevin how are you

1183
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:25,440
hello how are you good good welcome back

1184
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,240
it was uh

1185
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,079
thank you it's been a little while since

1186
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:30,240
you've been on but you we were talking

1187
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,800
here

1188
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,319
it's been a really an amazing

1189
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,400
conversation we've been having here

1190
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:36,720
and uh one of the things that matthew

1191
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,000
brought up earlier is you know

1192
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:40,480
why isn't science you know interested in

1193
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,040
this

1194
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,920
and here here's the question or you know

1195
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:45,839
have any curiosity about it and i know

1196
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,400
that's

1197
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,400
that really bothers you as well but

1198
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,160
here's the question i'm going to ask you

1199
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,880
matthew at the same time and that is and

1200
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:54,720
and kevin we'll get to introducing you

1201
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:58,079
here in a minute but um

1202
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,280
you said earlier that um

1203
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,240
you're ready for science to look at what

1204
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,680
you've been going through

1205
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,760
how would you how would that look to you

1206
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:10,000
what would that look like

1207
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:13,599
to me yes how would they study what

1208
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:14,800
you're saying

1209
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:17,760
so i you know something that has been

1210
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:18,880
revealed to me that

1211
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,520
by them uh and this was not a

1212
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,359
coincidence was that they look for

1213
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,000
certain personality types

1214
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:28,000
because those personality types are more

1215
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:29,440
likely

1216
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,319
uh to be able to finish this process and

1217
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,000
and everybody that i know

1218
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,000
that has been initiated i've asked them

1219
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,160
to take a personality test

1220
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,640
and without fail every time they are an

1221
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:42,240
infj

1222
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:45,599
personality type and there is a reason

1223
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:46,680
for that

1224
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,839
[Music]

1225
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:49,520
can you explain what that is i'm sorry

1226
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:51,040
ins j

1227
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,119
i infj so it's like uh

1228
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,880
you know you you've got kind of a calm

1229
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,720
personality

1230
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,520
you don't uh you don't tend to work for

1231
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:02,640
yourself

1232
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,000
uh you're not selfish you you tend to

1233
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:09,040
everything you do uh the work that you

1234
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:10,400
do tends to be

1235
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,079
for others um you're a people pleaser

1236
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,359
um you you uh

1237
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:19,359
you work for the sake of work that has

1238
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,480
to be done

1239
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,079
and not necessarily because you're

1240
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,520
looking for some fame

1241
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:26,720
out of it you have a strong sense of

1242
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,319
you know right and wrong um

1243
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,960
you're more introverted and that is that

1244
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,240
is the key

1245
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:37,599
uh that is also a huge key to this

1246
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:39,920
um and i'm talking about introverted in

1247
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,640
terms of

1248
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:43,119
the the union psychological definition

1249
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,640
of introversion

1250
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:47,040
not i mean he coined those terms and

1251
00:49:49,850 --> 00:49:47,680
they've been

1252
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,860
kind of you know uh

1253
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:51,520
[Music]

1254
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:54,319
they don't really hold true to what he

1255
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:55,359
originally

1256
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,960
um intended them to be uh

1257
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:01,040
so uh they're they're looking for

1258
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:02,960
introverts they want people who

1259
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,800
are uh in tune with that internal aspect

1260
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,480
of themselves

1261
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:11,040
um there's that old saying uh know

1262
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:12,400
thyself

1263
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,839
right and and that's not just uh hocus

1264
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:17,359
pocus

1265
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:20,880
um you really do have to know yourself

1266
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,240
to get through this process um and so

1267
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,559
so this is what they look for they they

1268
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:29,040
look for this infj

1269
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,559
personality type um and even

1270
00:50:38,829 --> 00:50:35,200
even still some of them don't don't

1271
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,630
um

1272
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,640
sorry just a second kevin you know we

1273
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,400
brought you in late i know you

1274
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:46,079
replaced the battery on your laptop

1275
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:47,119
thank you for doing that i don't know

1276
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:48,240
how you did it so quickly

1277
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,160
though glad you're here but um uh

1278
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,280
uh matthew is an extremely balanced

1279
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:58,559
uh guy and he's had these things happen

1280
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,040
to him you know these experiences happen

1281
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:03,119
you know he was in naval intelligence

1282
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:04,720
i'm not sure if you read his

1283
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,160
um his background um but

1284
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,280
thank you yeah but um so

1285
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:14,079
this has been happening to him what even

1286
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,800
when he was in

1287
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,319
naval intelligence he was on board the

1288
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,079
uss roosevelt

1289
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:20,400
and saw the original you know the gimbal

1290
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:21,520
film and all that

1291
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,440
in the beginning but he's had these

1292
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,440
experiences happen

1293
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,599
since then that has profoundly changed

1294
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,880
his life that

1295
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:30,480
somehow would you say they must be

1296
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,440
related wouldn't you matthew

1297
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:36,559
yeah i mean so you know at the time

1298
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:40,000
i uh back in 2015 when i was watching

1299
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:41,520
this footage

1300
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:44,720
i i felt kind of sick right because not

1301
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,640
only was this changing my world view but

1302
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:48,559
i got this powerful feeling

1303
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,240
that they were there for me um

1304
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,839
and i thought at the time well that's

1305
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:55,280
that's ridiculous

1306
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:58,160
why why am i thinking that um but the

1307
00:52:02,790 --> 00:51:59,200
feeling was so

1308
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,800
powerful and then i started to feel

1309
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:04,800
paranoid that someone was going to find

1310
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:07,599
out that they were there for me

1311
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,200
and that that too

1312
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:14,240
was unsettling and very powerful and i i

1313
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,240
couldn't explain it at the time but it

1314
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:20,800
was disturbing to me

1315
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:23,760
um and it wasn't something that i

1316
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,079
mentioned to anyone at the time either

1317
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,000
because i didn't know what it means you

1318
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:29,839
know i i thought well this is just

1319
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:33,280
it's crazy you know um but that that's

1320
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,400
that's what i felt yeah

1321
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:38,480
and so yes to answer your question they

1322
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,359
were absolutely related

1323
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:44,160
they were related so uh you know just to

1324
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:45,440
just to catch you up a little bit

1325
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,440
um kevin um he has

1326
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,280
he was up on board the uss roosevelt

1327
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,359
like i said and then he started having

1328
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,200
these experiences with

1329
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:57,440
what he considered some type of beings

1330
00:53:02,309 --> 00:52:58,880
actually showed up

1331
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:02,319
um and uh it's profoundly

1332
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:05,520
changed his his life and

1333
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:09,760
he says you know he would like to be

1334
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,960
for science to take you know it's a it

1335
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:14,960
was a hard thing for him to talk about

1336
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,079
but you know would science at least

1337
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,200
look into this if this is happening

1338
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:24,000
um to someone how how would this be

1339
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:25,520
observed or whatever how

1340
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:29,520
how would how would that even work

1341
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,829
no i don't have many ideas um more

1342
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:37,440
questions than ideas at this point

1343
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:38,160
really but

1344
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,559
i i think that

1345
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:44,960
there are not now that i've been looking

1346
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:45,920
into this more

1347
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,200
you know as a scientist i appreciate

1348
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:52,000
that there are

1349
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,280
many more effects

1350
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,520
you know the you know high strangeness

1351
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:58,720
whatever you want to call it all of

1352
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,040
these

1353
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,960
things that happen and are associated

1354
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:02,319
with with

1355
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,359
with uaps and ufos um

1356
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:08,079
and at some point we're going to have to

1357
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,200
come to terms with that

1358
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:11,280
and i think that this is going to be

1359
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,640
it's a

1360
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,480
if you think about how difficult it's

1361
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:16,079
been for

1362
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,920
anybody to get either our government

1363
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:20,960
officials or

1364
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:23,359
scientists interested in the fact that

1365
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:24,000
there might be

1366
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:26,000
a vehicle in the air that doesn't belong

1367
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,119
there um

1368
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:29,520
these things are we've got incursions at

1369
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,280
nuclear weapon sites and still nobody's

1370
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,000
doing anything it appears right and so

1371
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,839
what it what what is it going to take to

1372
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,680
get something you know somebody

1373
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,319
interested um is a big that's a big

1374
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:42,720
question and a valid question

1375
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:46,799
and and now when you consider these

1376
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,319
these other effects that clearly

1377
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,079
happen to some degree i mean there's

1378
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,599
something there's something going on

1379
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,520
because these aren't these aren't

1380
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:57,520
isolated events these happen to people

1381
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,880
all over the world

1382
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,480
and they're clearly related to this

1383
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,319
phenomenon and

1384
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:05,440
and they're much stranger than the craft

1385
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,240
that we're

1386
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,680
you know we're trying to understand at

1387
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,599
this point so um

1388
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,760
yeah it's just gonna take time it's

1389
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:14,640
gonna take time but i have this

1390
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:18,079
my impression is that we are

1391
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:21,920
in for a pretty interesting ride

1392
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:25,200
um in this century we're going to have

1393
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:28,640
um some big discoveries happen that

1394
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,760
nobody saw coming and i think this is

1395
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,200
part of it

1396
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,359
i think you're right i i'm hope hoping

1397
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,359
i'm alive to see a lot of that

1398
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:39,359
uh we are we are it's time for us to go

1399
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:40,480
into break so we're going to go into

1400
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,040
break

1401
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,079
and just explain this over at kgra radio

1402
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,640
um we will uh be playing commercials but

1403
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,599
here

1404
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:50,319
on youtube facebook etc we're going to

1405
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:51,200
play

1406
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:53,839
a video that i made some of you that

1407
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,720
follow my channel

1408
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,480
already start this week i put it up and

1409
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,400
it happened i went into a restaurant

1410
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,720
and i filmed a helicopter and all of a

1411
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:02,160
sudden i saw a reflection on the window

1412
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,680
so that's what this is about

1413
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,119
and i'm going to play it right now so if

1414
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:07,440
you're over at kgr a radio

1415
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:28,829
[Music]

1416
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,950
hi everyone this is martin willis i was

1417
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,440
actually in a restaurant yesterday and i

1418
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:40,000
saw a helicopter flying around

1419
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:43,359
so i got out my camera and i videoed it

1420
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:44,079
i'm going to

1421
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,960
show that clip in a minute and then i

1422
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,079
started to thinking

1423
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,880
about all of the images that are out

1424
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:51,599
there

1425
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:54,880
of purported ufos this one in particular

1426
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:00,160
was taken in salem massachusetts in 1952

1427
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:03,599
and the new york times has used it

1428
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:06,640
the atlantic many very respectable

1429
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:10,000
media has used it as a ufo

1430
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:13,359
picture this is just a

1431
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:16,640
reflection off the glass

1432
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:19,920
in a diner of the hanging lamps that are

1433
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,480
inside

1434
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:23,040
the building i'm going to show other

1435
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:23,839
examples

1436
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:26,880
as we go along this one actually

1437
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,240
caught my attention for a while when it

1438
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,799
first came out several years ago it

1439
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:34,400
looked like a double ufo

1440
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:37,599
over loch ness in scotland

1441
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:40,480
but again what it is it's a reflection

1442
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,000
of a hanging lamp

1443
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,640
and it's a double pane of glass that's

1444
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:46,960
all that is

1445
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:50,240
here's some other examples as you can

1446
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,280
see

1447
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:53,520
each one of them do look kind of

1448
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,720
suspicious

1449
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,559
this one in particular is pretty

1450
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,040
interesting with all of the ufos in the

1451
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,200
sky

1452
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:03,760
well here's the video clip i'm going to

1453
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:08,000
let it run now it just went right

1454
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,960
through a ufo

1455
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:11,200
now it's going through another one so if

1456
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:12,799
you're looking at a picture and you see

1457
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,280
lights

1458
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:15,680
in the sky always see where the picture

1459
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,319
was taken it was taken indoors or not

1460
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:20,240
a lot of these are out there so thank

1461
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:22,240
you for watching and remember to keep

1462
00:58:35,870 --> 00:58:23,040
your eyes

1463
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:35,880
to the sky

1464
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:46,789
all right welcome back uh let's see do

1465
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:47,760
this

1466
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,440
thing i

1467
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:54,160
i forget to mention here on the show is

1468
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:55,520
all the music that i play is

1469
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,640
from uh including that and my intros and

1470
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,079
everything that i play on this

1471
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,240
is uh was all made by carrie lloyd

1472
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:04,480
whitehouse um he does

1473
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:07,520
uh music for for movies a couple of

1474
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,799
really good movies out there that he's

1475
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,599
done a lot of

1476
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:11,599
music for he's in ireland so i want to

1477
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,799
give him credit for

1478
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,480
that tune and all the others that that

1479
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:16,079
are here so bringing our

1480
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:19,920
guests back in and we got matthew

1481
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,359
and there's kevin so uh kevin

1482
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:26,160
so i told you that i would have you know

1483
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:26,480
you

1484
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:33,839
was really

1485
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,880
i'm really glad that exists and that

1486
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,559
people of science that are actually

1487
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,559
taking this thing seriously

1488
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,240
um so anyway your background if you

1489
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:43,839
would a little bit

1490
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,000
yeah certainly um well first thanks for

1491
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,000
having me i really appreciate it and

1492
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:50,160
it's good to see you again

1493
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:53,440
yeah um i'm an associate professor of

1494
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,480
physics

1495
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:56,640
at the university at albany in albany

1496
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:57,920
new york

1497
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:00,960
um i've been there

1498
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,079
for 16 years and now and uh

1499
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,119
previous to that i was a um

1500
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:09,520
a computer scientist at nasa ames

1501
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:10,400
research center

1502
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,240
in california

1503
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:17,280
and let let's see my research at here at

1504
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,079
ualbany

1505
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:20,720
mainly consists of um studying

1506
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:21,839
exoplanets

1507
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:24,480
so i work to detect and characterize

1508
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,280
planets orbiting other stars

1509
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:29,359
i'm using data from the kepler space

1510
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:30,480
telescope and other

1511
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:33,839
other sources and um

1512
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:36,640
and i also do theoretical work in

1513
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:37,359
quantum

1514
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:44,319
as well as uaps now so and

1515
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,520
and as you mentioned i'm a member of scu

1516
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,200
which is the scientific coalition for

1517
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,040
uap studies

1518
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,000
so it's a group of um scientists and

1519
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:56,559
engineers and

1520
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,079
stem professionals who are interested in

1521
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:02,240
studying ufo seriously

1522
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:06,640
and i'm also working with uapx

1523
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:10,160
which is a group founded by senior chief

1524
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,799
kevin day

1525
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:13,119
from the uss princeton from the nimitz

1526
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:14,559
2004 encounters

1527
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:17,440
and um gary voorhees is not currently

1528
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:18,880
the president

1529
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:22,240
and we are um working to

1530
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:30,309
interesting stuff uh well um i know

1531
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,839
you know when i had you on before i

1532
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,839
believed we we spoke about

1533
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:35,599
a paper that you had written ufo

1534
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:37,040
characteristics i believe it was

1535
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,000
something along those

1536
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:40,880
lines and what type of feedback have you

1537
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:41,200
had

1538
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:47,589
um let's see i've i've gotten feedback

1539
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:48,079
from

1540
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,280
a number of scientists who yeah

1541
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:53,359
very nice messages thanking me for

1542
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:54,559
writing the um

1543
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:57,520
writing the paper and that it was

1544
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,880
shocking how

1545
01:02:01,910 --> 01:02:00,240
you know how high some of these

1546
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:01,920
accelerations are and how

1547
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:05,359
um the speeds that these craft move at

1548
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:09,760
um there's been some criticism

1549
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:13,119
basically from uh

1550
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:19,670
preferring to espouse skepticism rather

1551
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:20,160
than

1552
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,920
actually looking into the problem and

1553
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:26,400
they've compared you know my research

1554
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:27,440
paper to

1555
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,119
blogs by people on the internet who have

1556
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:33,440
you know performed an analysis that

1557
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:35,039
certainly wasn't peer-reviewed

1558
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:38,640
and so so it's a little surprising to

1559
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:40,480
see scientists comparing peer-reviewed

1560
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:41,599
papers to

1561
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,000
blog posts i think that's i mean that

1562
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:46,400
already is unprofessional and

1563
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:48,319
but that's what you see scientists doing

1564
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,319
when they are confronted with this

1565
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:51,920
phenomenon

1566
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:54,079
so you know i've had to have the

1567
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:55,039
analysis called

1568
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:58,240
simple um in a recent new york times

1569
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:59,599
editorial

1570
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:02,240
and i'm going to not disagree with that

1571
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:03,760
it wasn't very hard

1572
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:06,960
it was we were using

1573
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:09,359
you know physics that you learn in you

1574
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:11,920
know first year kinematics

1575
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:15,039
so this is something that

1576
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:17,680
any physicists should have been able to

1577
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:18,240
do

1578
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,000
the back of a napkin in a restaurant

1579
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:23,760
seriously we we talked about the

1580
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:26,160
envelope calculation we call them

1581
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:27,599
any physicists should have been able to

1582
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,880
get these back to the envelope

1583
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,000
calculations and

1584
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,920
should have done it before they open

1585
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:33,760
their mouth and start saying that these

1586
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:34,160
things

1587
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:37,359
aren't interesting um so i'm

1588
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,400
really shocked by that and um

1589
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,160
and the fact that it's simple isn't a

1590
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:44,880
bad thing the fact that it's simple

1591
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:46,160
means it's compelling

1592
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:49,440
so um and we show that

1593
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:52,400
you know in in several different cases

1594
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:52,720
of

1595
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:55,839
k

1596
01:04:03,190 --> 01:03:59,920
one of the cases we used data from radar

1597
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:03,200
another case we used the nimitz

1598
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:06,160
2004 nimitz video but in all of those

1599
01:04:10,829 --> 01:04:08,079
cases the accelerations were

1600
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:10,839
higher than 75 times the acceleration of

1601
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:12,079
gravity

1602
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,750
amazing

1603
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:21,510
i'm sorry and i don't i don't think

1604
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:23,119
people know and i don't think people

1605
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,400
really understand how

1606
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:26,480
high those accelerations are in general

1607
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:29,440
the um so

1608
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,839
so let's say that you know your upper

1609
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:33,280
half of your body i'm just going to use

1610
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,720
nice round numbers the upper half of

1611
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:36,640
your body let's say weighs 100 pounds

1612
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:39,520
so so let's be i'll be kind to myself

1613
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:41,119
say i weigh 200 pounds total so the

1614
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:43,039
upper half is 100 pounds

1615
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:44,319
and so now let's say i'm going to

1616
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:47,119
accelerate at 100 g

1617
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,640
right and that means that that hundred

1618
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:52,559
pounds is going to feel 100 times

1619
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,680
heavier

1620
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:56,000
it's gonna be feel like ten thousand

1621
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:57,599
pounds you know what's going to happen

1622
01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:59,039
to the lower half of your body

1623
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:01,280
there's no flight suit that can protect

1624
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:02,880
you from that there's nothing you can do

1625
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,920
about that

1626
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:05,920
you are literally going to be squished

1627
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:07,039
um

1628
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:08,799
imagine putting ten thousand pounds on

1629
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:10,720
your head and seeing what and imagine

1630
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:11,920
what would happen

1631
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:14,079
and that's at a hundred g acceleration

1632
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,119
now if you

1633
01:05:22,050 --> 01:05:18,240
now in the from

1634
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:22,060
the radar that um kevin day um

1635
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:23,359
[Music]

1636
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:26,000
was looking at on the uss princeton when

1637
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:26,480
these

1638
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:29,920
feet to

1639
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:33,200
sea level in 0.78 seconds

1640
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:35,039
that acceleration is on the order of

1641
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:37,039
five thousand times the acceleration of

1642
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:38,559
gravity

1643
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:41,920
so imagine taking that hundred pounds

1644
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,799
and now accelerating

1645
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,720
at a thousand g you know or five

1646
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:46,559
thousand g that's that's a half a

1647
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:47,039
million

1648
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:50,000
pounds on your lower half of your body

1649
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:51,039
equipment well

1650
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:53,119
most machines aren't going to survive

1651
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:54,400
things like that so

1652
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:58,000
um much less organisms um

1653
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:00,160
yeah anything that anything that we have

1654
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:07,349
our best fighter jets can only handle

1655
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:10,000
about 13 g's before the wings get ripped

1656
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:11,039
off

1657
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:14,400
and missiles are designed to handle

1658
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:17,440
about 30 g's and still be able to

1659
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:18,319
maneuver

1660
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:21,520
um if you go above 60 g the missile

1661
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:24,559
airframe will be destroyed so

1662
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:27,440
so these are really crazy accelerations

1663
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:28,079
it's not

1664
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:29,920
you know we use the term anomalous but i

1665
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:32,720
don't think people really appreciate how

1666
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,839
anomalous it really is and and then

1667
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:37,680
then you know and then of course you

1668
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:39,839
know those scientists often will then

1669
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,240
ask

1670
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:43,039
why why do people jump to the conclusion

1671
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:45,200
that these are spacecraft

1672
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:48,240
and my answer at this point is because

1673
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:48,640
they

1674
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:52,079
move as fast as spacecraft do it's

1675
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,440
simple this is really this isn't rocket

1676
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:57,119
science

1677
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:00,240
at least not yet right um so

1678
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:03,280
but yeah so when you're dropping from 28

1679
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:05,039
000 feet to sea level you do that in

1680
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:07,359
0.78 seconds

1681
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:10,640
the the minimum acceleration is 5000

1682
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:12,480
g's now of course you can accelerate

1683
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:14,319
higher and then just coast the rest of

1684
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:15,520
the way down and then have a very high

1685
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:17,359
acceleration to stop

1686
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:19,359
but the minimum acceleration happens

1687
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,359
when you accelerate halfway and then you

1688
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,119
decelerate the other half

1689
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,720
and that would be the 5000 g

1690
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:26,880
acceleration and so you can compute the

1691
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:29,280
the velocity at the midpoint at the

1692
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:31,280
midpoint the velocity is on the order of

1693
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:31,920
about

1694
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:37,119
um it's around 40 000 miles an hour

1695
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:40,559
so it's it's like mach 60 so

1696
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:43,599
the the new horizons probe that

1697
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:46,000
we sent to pluto currently is traveling

1698
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:47,039
at about 35

1699
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,520
000 miles an hour this tic tac was

1700
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,680
observed to move faster than the new

1701
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:53,920
horizons space probe

1702
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,200
in the air without a sonic boom

1703
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:59,839
and and got up to that speed accelerated

1704
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:01,440
from zero to that speed

1705
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:05,680
in about three tenths of a second

1706
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,799
i'd like to update something i mean how

1707
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:10,079
are you not curious about

1708
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:13,119
that you know i i think that's how does

1709
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:13,520
that

1710
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:17,920
not interest a physicist or an engineer

1711
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:20,080
one of the things uh you know matthew

1712
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:21,920
you can reiterate what you said but

1713
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:23,040
basically

1714
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:26,080
that um these things are were flying

1715
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:26,719
around

1716
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:29,679
billions of dollars worth of sensory and

1717
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:30,400
with no

1718
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:33,520
explanation and no uh and and the thing

1719
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:34,560
i mentioned to you is

1720
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:36,640
you know i'm i'm surprised the military

1721
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:38,080
isn't more curious

1722
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:41,600
into researching these things but

1723
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:45,279
um you know just chime in if you would

1724
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:47,920
yeah i mean i i i think that it's it's

1725
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:50,560
absurd for people to think that um

1726
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,520
you know uh that we would we would

1727
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:55,279
misidentify balloons

1728
01:09:02,470 --> 01:08:58,960
and uh you know

1729
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:02,480
other types of just mundane craft

1730
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:04,640
um and that we wouldn't know what that

1731
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:06,560
is with the billions of dollars worth of

1732
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,359
equipment

1733
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:10,319
that are positioned within these strike

1734
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:11,359
groups

1735
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:15,120
um it's just it's laughable really

1736
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:18,319
that that anyone would think that we

1737
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:21,199
would misidentify something like that

1738
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:24,560
um right it's just nonsense

1739
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:27,279
uh kevin do you think when it comes to

1740
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:27,679
this

1741
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:31,279
type of situation that we have the best

1742
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:31,759
bet

1743
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:35,040
through military observation

1744
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,159
of getting to what these things are

1745
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:40,159
or do you think in the private sector

1746
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:41,679
eventually someone's going to get

1747
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:42,880
interested enough

1748
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:45,359
to have really interesting equipment

1749
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:48,319
that might work with it

1750
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:52,000
i think that we really

1751
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:55,760
this is this is sufficiently bizarre

1752
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:58,880
and concerning at this point that

1753
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:02,000
um that we need all all those

1754
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:04,159
approaches um we're going to need you

1755
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:05,520
know we're going to need military

1756
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,719
observations because

1757
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:09,120
we need to make sure they they're in

1758
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:11,120
charge of national security

1759
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,800
and these are you know when you get

1760
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,960
incursions on race in restricted

1761
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:16,400
airspace

1762
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,159
um that that's a national security issue

1763
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:23,280
and and what worries me

1764
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:26,880
about the fact that you don't see

1765
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:29,120
there doesn't seem to be any reaction to

1766
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:30,560
these craft

1767
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:32,480
making these incursions into restricted

1768
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,600
airspace

1769
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,679
i mean they basically do it unimpeded

1770
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:37,360
and

1771
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,120
it suggests to me that

1772
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:44,400
if i made a sufficiently bizarre craft

1773
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:46,560
i can fly it anywhere and nobody's gonna

1774
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:47,760
do anything

1775
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:50,080
nobody's gonna stop it so i could make a

1776
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,920
really crazy drone

1777
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:54,000
you know that shoots laser beams or you

1778
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:55,360
know electricity you know

1779
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:57,679
lightning bolts all over and something

1780
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,960
really crazy

1781
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,640
and nobody's gonna shoot it down

1782
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:02,159
nobody's gonna report it

1783
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,239
i can fly and collect any data i want

1784
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:06,320
and leave or do any damage i want and

1785
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:06,800
leave

1786
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,719
that's really what it suggests to me

1787
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,000
this is this is

1788
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:12,000
this is you know the fact that nobody is

1789
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:13,360
doing anything is an

1790
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:16,480
intelligence failure and and

1791
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,640
quite possibly if these things if these

1792
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,640
things do turn out to be alien

1793
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,080
this is probably the greatest

1794
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:24,239
intelligence failure in human history i

1795
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:25,920
mean we're going to be looking back at

1796
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:26,480
this

1797
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:30,159
really um and with a very

1798
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,679
different perspective than we are

1799
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:33,840
looking at it right now

1800
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:36,800
um and i now forgot your original

1801
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:38,320
question because i think i went

1802
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,760
off on a bit of a tangent

1803
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:43,840
no i was asking basically if if you

1804
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:45,520
think that military

1805
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:49,679
military yeah you know the observations

1806
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:51,760
the military is going to be able to get

1807
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:53,679
observations that no one else can

1808
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:57,280
mainly because for a few reasons one is

1809
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:59,679
these objects are interested in our

1810
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:00,640
military

1811
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:03,360
they they appea they hang out near our

1812
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,960
until whenever there's military

1813
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:06,960
movements they they show up

1814
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,199
they show up in restricted spaces they

1815
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:10,960
show up at nuclear weapon sites they

1816
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,199
know

1817
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:12,960
show up in nuclear storage weapon

1818
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:14,960
storage areas

1819
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:17,760
so the military is uniquely positioned

1820
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:19,199
to be able to collect data on these

1821
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:20,159
things because

1822
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:23,760
these things come to them

1823
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:27,520
and they have military have um

1824
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,199
you know cameras and sensors on uh

1825
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,600
fighter jets that can move at speeds

1826
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:35,520
that can respond to these things when

1827
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,709
for the private sector to do that would

1828
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:44,239
be horribly expensive

1829
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,719
and um and you would probably need a

1830
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:47,840
sensor network

1831
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:50,080
you know distributed over a wide area to

1832
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:52,000
be able to collect any useful data now

1833
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:52,640
some of this

1834
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:55,840
is probably possible you know within the

1835
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:57,199
scientific community

1836
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,159
once you get many scientists involved um

1837
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:01,920
we have we already have networks like

1838
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,000
this for watching meteorites the all sky

1839
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,960
network basically watches the sky for

1840
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:09,120
meteorites and presumably

1841
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:12,159
that network should be collecting images

1842
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:13,760
of uaps as well

1843
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,560
and they probably are just being

1844
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,640
filtered out as not meteorites

1845
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,199
um because that's basically how you

1846
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:23,520
analyze that kind of data you

1847
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:25,120
you first get rid of all the noise

1848
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,640
everything you're not interested in

1849
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,719
so clearly that is it made the 90 degree

1850
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:30,480
turn clearly not a meteorite

1851
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:34,640
so we don't focus on that um that's

1852
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,360
and the same thing with it with radar in

1853
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,360
you know at commercial airports

1854
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:42,000
you that those radar systems are

1855
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:44,640
designed to reduce clutter on the screen

1856
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:47,120
you know for the for the um air traffic

1857
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:48,719
control

1858
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:52,239
and in anything that doesn't act like an

1859
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:52,880
airplane

1860
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:55,280
is assumed to be noise and isn't

1861
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:55,920
displayed

1862
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:59,199
so very often ua ufos don't show up

1863
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:02,159
on on air traffic control screens for

1864
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:04,159
that reason

1865
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,640
i had no idea about that i've never

1866
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,920
heard that before there's

1867
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:10,080
it's when you really get into this which

1868
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:11,440
is one reason it's

1869
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:13,360
too bad that scientists aren't getting

1870
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,440
involved because i think

1871
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,600
you know i i've been curious and i'm

1872
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,600
even more curious all the time but

1873
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:21,440
there's a lot of interesting stuff here

1874
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:23,280
and you start to understand why things

1875
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:24,400
don't happen so

1876
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:26,159
why don't these things show up on radar

1877
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,520
there's reasons

1878
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:30,159
why are the images always blurry there's

1879
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:31,040
reasons for that

1880
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,000
too there's often these craft often have

1881
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,000
plas they ionize the air around them and

1882
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,000
you get a plasma sheath

1883
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:40,880
so you've got hot air hot ionized air

1884
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:42,880
around the object

1885
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:45,440
and that blurs the image it'll blur a

1886
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:46,719
visible image it'll blur

1887
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,880
infrared image so there's reasons for

1888
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,310
kevin how would you explain as a

1889
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:56,719
physicist how would you explain

1890
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:00,400
how this these movements could avoid

1891
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:08,070
that's a big mystery um that's really

1892
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:09,040
not clear

1893
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:12,320
to me at all one of the assumptions

1894
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:15,440
is that these things are

1895
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:18,239
warping space-time in some way and that

1896
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:18,800
somehow

1897
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:21,840
allows them to avoid

1898
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:23,840
you know causing problems like that so

1899
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:25,199
basically it's a separate

1900
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:28,000
bubble of space time moving from one

1901
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:29,520
location to another but i don't think

1902
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:30,320
that's happening

1903
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:33,520
all the time uh we've

1904
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:38,239
so the other possibility is that

1905
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:45,990
using laser beams to um heat up the air

1906
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,280
in front of the

1907
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:49,360
in front of a hypersonic airplane you

1908
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:50,880
create a shock wave in front of the

1909
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:51,520
airplane

1910
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,360
so that the shockwave doesn't happen at

1911
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:55,440
the airplane so you basically fly behind

1912
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:56,480
the shock wave

1913
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:58,159
that allows you to go faster but in that

1914
01:16:03,669 --> 01:15:59,600
case you still have a shock wave

1915
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:05,830
so it's really it's not obvious what's

1916
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:08,239
happening clearly the technology is

1917
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:11,440
sufficiently different and there's a lot

1918
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,320
to be learned here

1919
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:14,800
and i think this is a you know if you

1920
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:16,080
were to do a

1921
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:19,520
a cost-benefit analysis the

1922
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:21,679
the potential benefits you know to

1923
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,880
studying these things is

1924
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:24,719
are incredibly high and i'm just talking

1925
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:26,800
from a craft perspective i'm not talking

1926
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:27,920
about the

1927
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:30,640
the high strangeness and the personal

1928
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,239
experiences that people have like

1929
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:34,080
matthew was talking about

1930
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,400
those are those are totally different

1931
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:38,000
experiences that are

1932
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:41,040
you know clearly related in some way and

1933
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:43,600
and you know we apparently have a lot

1934
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:45,520
more to learn about the universe than

1935
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:46,159
we've

1936
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:51,830
i agree and matthew any time you want to

1937
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:53,199
ask uh kevin

1938
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,520
a question you know feel free to this is

1939
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:57,280
kind of like a round robin anything you

1940
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:58,080
okay

1941
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:00,960
uh related to what he was speaking about

1942
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:03,520
yeah um you know my my question is

1943
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:06,719
let me just ask go ahead well i i just

1944
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:07,760
wanted to ask

1945
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:10,000
kevin why why do you think it is that

1946
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:11,760
this has been

1947
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:15,040
such taboo for so long uh in the

1948
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:17,679
scientific community and continues to be

1949
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,480
i i mean even even in light of recent

1950
01:17:25,270 --> 01:17:22,320
events you have people

1951
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:25,280
who are scientists you know well-known

1952
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,960
scientists coming out and saying you

1953
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:28,719
know this is just

1954
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:31,040
you know nothing uh it's a nothing

1955
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:31,760
burger

1956
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:34,159
uh even in light of the fact that the

1957
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:35,920
navy is saying that these things are

1958
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,320
unidentified so what what do you think

1959
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:40,159
accounts for that in the scientific

1960
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:41,679
community

1961
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:45,199
i i there's probably a few factors

1962
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:51,270
i think the first reason is that we've

1963
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,480
been told this

1964
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:54,560
our whole lives at this point i mean

1965
01:17:58,590 --> 01:17:56,480
pretty much all of us who are alive this

1966
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:58,600
you know if anybody who was born after

1967
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,040
1947 has heard

1968
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,360
that these things are nonsense you know

1969
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:05,440
over and over and over again

1970
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:08,320
um and so we've all been taught that

1971
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:09,520
that's the case

1972
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:12,080
and and that's hard to change that

1973
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:13,360
perspective once

1974
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:17,360
that's the consensus that's part of it

1975
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:20,480
um another part is that

1976
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:22,960
and especially in astronomy i'm having

1977
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:24,880
taught astronomy i'm well aware of this

1978
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,229
often confronted with having to

1979
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:36,719
um when you're teaching to having to

1980
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:38,320
dispel

1981
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:42,000
pseudoscientific notions and astrology

1982
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:42,880
is a big

1983
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,719
component of that when you are teaching

1984
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:46,480
astronomy so

1985
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:49,120
um you have to you know you start

1986
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,719
talking about constellations and some of

1987
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:52,320
these are related to the astronomical

1988
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:53,040
signs

1989
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,120
mistake the words are so similar that

1990
01:19:02,470 --> 01:18:58,800
people confuse the two

1991
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:02,480
it happens all the time yeah and so um

1992
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:05,440
people confuse astrological signs and

1993
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:05,760
with

1994
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:13,199
astrology and so we are

1995
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:16,560
almost trained as this is that's too

1996
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:17,679
strong but

1997
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:20,560
you really see the necessity when you're

1998
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:22,000
teaching these classes that

1999
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:26,000
you have to nip this in the bud early on

2000
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:27,840
and make it clear to students that this

2001
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:30,159
is that kind of thinking isn't nonsense

2002
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:31,360
there's no

2003
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:38,239
mechanisms to

2004
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:41,520
um to explain why you know

2005
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:45,600
why the moon is in pisces this week that

2006
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:47,760
you're gonna meet the love of your life

2007
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:51,199
so um everybody and one twelfth of the

2008
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:52,640
population is going to meet the love of

2009
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:54,320
their life that we kids

2010
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:56,400
yeah and so it's easy to dispel those

2011
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:57,600
notions so they're

2012
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:01,440
those are ancient ideas and um

2013
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:05,280
but we get into that mode where

2014
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,520
you almost feel it's your job to dispel

2015
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:11,520
these pseudo-scientific notions so i

2016
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:15,040
think that some astronomers especially

2017
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:17,520
when they encounter the ufo phenomenon

2018
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:18,239
are

2019
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,679
you know we've all been told our whole

2020
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:21,760
lives that it's nonsense um there isn't

2021
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:22,639
a lot of

2022
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:26,400
there that's true

2023
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:30,480
um so they're kind of stuck in this

2024
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:33,679
um tautology where you we don't

2025
01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:36,880
we don't study ufos because um there's

2026
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:38,000
no data on them

2027
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:40,480
and so they're not interesting and um

2028
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:42,159
there's no data on them because we don't

2029
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:42,880
study them

2030
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,800
so you're stuck in this logical loop

2031
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,719
that when you step back it's quite

2032
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:49,120
obvious but

2033
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:52,000
but i think that there you know a lot of

2034
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:53,920
scientists are trying to do

2035
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:55,679
what they see is the right thing to do

2036
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:57,679
which is dispel these pseudo-scientific

2037
01:21:02,629 --> 01:20:59,679
notions the problem is that it's not all

2038
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,639
pseudoscience and

2039
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:04,159
that there is something to some of these

2040
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:06,560
phenomena and it needs to be studied

2041
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:07,679
first

2042
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:10,880
by scientists to be you know and then

2043
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:12,159
determined if there's

2044
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:14,719
something to it um that really hasn't

2045
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,800
happened

2046
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:18,960
um you know speaking of data something

2047
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:21,199
that i i kind of want to throw out there

2048
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:24,880
as as another thing uh

2049
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:27,679
so a lot of people think that you know

2050
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,760
well the government can just put this to

2051
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:32,080
bed by releasing

2052
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:35,360
um radar data stuff like that

2053
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,800
but the thing is they're not going to

2054
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:38,400
release that because

2055
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:40,400
a lot a lot of the capabilities of these

2056
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:42,560
radars are classified and

2057
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:45,600
if you just release that data

2058
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:48,800
uh you're telling all of our adversaries

2059
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:51,199
well these are our radar capabilities

2060
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:52,159
you know

2061
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:54,560
uh and so i i think people need to

2062
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,080
understand that that's just not

2063
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:58,800
going to happen um they're they're not

2064
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:59,520
going to let

2065
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:01,840
everyone in the world just see all of

2066
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:03,360
this radar data

2067
01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:06,560
um and so i and i i almost think it's

2068
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,840
it's unreasonable to expect that you

2069
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,000
would uh

2070
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,480
because obviously you don't want china

2071
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:14,960
or russia to know what our capabilities

2072
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:15,920
are

2073
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:19,679
and i think that's perfectly logical um

2074
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:22,960
so i think to your point kevin there

2075
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:24,560
are a lot of other people that are going

2076
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:26,320
to have to pick up that slack

2077
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,360
uh right you know in terms of like uh

2078
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:31,280
these radars that they use at airports

2079
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:32,400
like maybe let's

2080
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:35,600
let's turn off that filter um

2081
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,560
you know that that would keep uh only or

2082
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:40,080
save the unfiltered data

2083
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:43,280
at least yeah exactly um so that people

2084
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:44,560
can take a look at that

2085
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:47,440
um uh and i think that that's worth

2086
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:48,080
doing

2087
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:50,000
and people need to do that i think i

2088
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:51,440
think that's a great point

2089
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:55,360
and um and i totally agree and the

2090
01:23:02,149 --> 01:22:58,719
another example is satellite imagery um

2091
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:02,159
it's been i think john radcliffe noted

2092
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:05,679
that there exists satellite images of

2093
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:10,159
uaps of ufos and um

2094
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,679
and we've been working to get satellite

2095
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:13,920
data as well at uapx

2096
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:17,199
so um and people

2097
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:18,800
have asked scientists have asked well if

2098
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:20,560
there are satellites all they need to do

2099
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:24,000
is release one satellite image of a ufo

2100
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:27,040
and the problem with releasing a

2101
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:29,120
satellite image from a spy saddle a high

2102
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:31,440
resolution spy satellite is

2103
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,239
one like you're saying you you basically

2104
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,080
reveal your capabilities

2105
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,880
yeah to an adversary the other problem

2106
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:40,320
is that

2107
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,719
you know you release an image of a ufo

2108
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:44,320
that was seen by

2109
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:48,000
by gladys in um in

2110
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:51,520
you know in south dakota

2111
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:55,040
at 9 30 p.m you know just out of

2112
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:57,520
just outside of aberdeen or something

2113
01:24:01,669 --> 01:23:58,960
and

2114
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:01,679
now all of a sudden you have you have

2115
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:03,600
the location you have the time

2116
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,350
anyone who's clever enough and

2117
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:11,199
understands how orbits work can figure

2118
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,560
out the orbital elements of the

2119
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:14,400
satellite

2120
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,480
classified

2121
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,400
not because of what they take pictures

2122
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:22,080
of it's because

2123
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:24,000
those pictures can tell you what orbit

2124
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:25,520
the satellites in

2125
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,880
and once you know what orbit the

2126
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:28,560
satellite's in

2127
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,880
that means your adversary who's trying

2128
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,120
to deploy chemical weapons

2129
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:35,280
can say oh we know that the satellite's

2130
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,719
going to be flying over at five o'clock

2131
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:38,239
so we got to get the tarps over our

2132
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,600
chemical weapons

2133
01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:41,520
and then it should be passed at 5 30 and

2134
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:43,120
we'll take the top harps off and we can

2135
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:44,080
work again

2136
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:46,159
so that's why they can't release

2137
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:47,440
satellite images

2138
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:50,400
it's not going to happen and so so we're

2139
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:51,600
working

2140
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:54,719
companies to try to

2141
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:56,639
try to get satellite image for imagery

2142
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:58,239
for that reason

2143
01:25:01,350 --> 01:25:00,000
okay well here's the answer if you look

2144
01:25:03,710 --> 01:25:01,360
up on the screen to everything right

2145
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:06,629
[Laughter]

2146
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:09,280
now that's the answer right there yeah

2147
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:09,679
so

2148
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:13,440
uh making mockery of this as as as uh

2149
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:16,159
as we've seen as we've seen um i there's

2150
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:16,639
a good

2151
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:18,400
a very good point uh kevin to what

2152
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:19,840
you're talking about earlier up in the

2153
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:21,679
chat and i'm gonna put it up here if i

2154
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,719
can

2155
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:25,040
uh here it is right here it's by richard

2156
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:26,400
c

2157
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:29,840
blurriness why

2158
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:32,560
why don't eyewitnesses report them as

2159
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:38,629
because if you're well if you are

2160
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:40,639
getting if you have a

2161
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,840
camera image where you don't have a very

2162
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:45,679
you don't have a powerful telephoto lens

2163
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:46,960
you're not getting a good image in the

2164
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:48,880
first place and so if you try to magnify

2165
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:50,159
that you're you're

2166
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,639
i mean you're not seeing you're seeing a

2167
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:54,000
dot in the sky or something

2168
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,040
very far away so

2169
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:59,520
so in those cases i mean it's it's when

2170
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:00,639
you get

2171
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:02,239
when you have somebody with a telephoto

2172
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:03,840
lens that is trying to take an image you

2173
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:05,840
can get images of the plasma sheath and

2174
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,320
you can see the craft inside of it and

2175
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:10,880
and you can get images like that but but

2176
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:11,840
very often

2177
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:14,000
the cameras that are being used aren't

2178
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:15,440
the best cameras for this

2179
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:17,520
so i mean people are pulling out the

2180
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:18,880
camera they got in their pocket or in

2181
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:19,199
their

2182
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:31,590
here's another question these people

2183
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:32,960
aren't professional photographer

2184
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:34,800
photographers i mean you've seen photos

2185
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:35,520
that right

2186
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:38,000
people take where you know we're here so

2187
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:39,440
here's our family and they're all down

2188
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:41,920
here right and this happens all the time

2189
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:44,560
you know people are not people i i i do

2190
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:45,840
wildlife photography

2191
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:48,320
and um people are really pretty bad at

2192
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:49,679
taking pictures

2193
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,120
in general yeah um so um

2194
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:55,199
i i want to take calls i think this

2195
01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:56,159
would be a great

2196
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:59,199
time to bring calls in here but um and

2197
01:27:02,830 --> 01:27:01,360
they can ask you know any of you a

2198
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:02,840
question but

2199
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:07,040
um uh this gentleman mid channel i guess

2200
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:10,719
i wanted to know uh what is the geod

2201
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,400
geodesic effect kevin

2202
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:16,320
i don't know what he's referring to in

2203
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:17,600
that case

2204
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:19,920
oh okay so i have you ever heard of it

2205
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,880
before but i don't know

2206
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:22,400
more detail yeah i don't i don't

2207
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,080
recognize the name um

2208
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:26,080
all right well here's the here's the

2209
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:28,239
situation if you'd like to call in

2210
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:31,600
whoever that was that uh uh posted that

2211
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:34,639
um you can call in and explain more and

2212
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:36,000
the call-in line

2213
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:40,800
is 855-472-5483 and bill is standing by

2214
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:44,159
uh we'll screen you a call and

2215
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:45,840
um there's another question that bill

2216
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:48,159
actually asked is he wanted to know

2217
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:50,880
is it possible that a device drone craft

2218
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:51,679
etc

2219
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:54,080
could be emitting an energy bubble which

2220
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:54,800
would appear

2221
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:58,080
as a seamless no fuselage etc by means

2222
01:28:04,390 --> 01:27:58,560
of

2223
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:04,400
that's pretty heavy though yeah i don't

2224
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:06,560
know what an energy bubble would be

2225
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:09,600
i mean you have to energy is very

2226
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:10,480
specific when

2227
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:13,760
physicists use the term energy we um

2228
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:15,440
mean it to mean very specific things so

2229
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:17,440
what kind of energy gravitational

2230
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,360
potential energy kinetic energy

2231
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:21,440
it's not clear what an energy bubble

2232
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:23,120
would mean so

2233
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:25,520
okay all right so well we have uh let's

2234
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:26,560
we have care

2235
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:29,199
go ahead i'm sorry go ahead oh no please

2236
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:30,080
that's that was it

2237
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:32,480
all right all right so we have carrie on

2238
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:33,840
the line from california

2239
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:37,199
welcome to the show carrie sure hi

2240
01:28:41,830 --> 01:28:38,800
martin hi matthew hi

2241
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:41,840
kevin uh great to see you guys um all i

2242
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:42,719
was going to do was

2243
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:44,320
tell you basically i can tell you what

2244
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:45,520
the report that's going to come out is

2245
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:46,560
going to be

2246
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:50,080
moment you're going to have incredible

2247
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:52,000
observers of relatively incredible

2248
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:52,880
things

2249
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,639
and we're going to start project movies

2250
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:56,400
with hector quintero again something

2251
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:56,880
like that

2252
01:29:01,270 --> 01:28:59,199
you know one officer and one secretary

2253
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:01,280
that's what we're gonna get

2254
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:03,199
well i i think it's interesting and that

2255
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:04,719
is one of the topics that i did want to

2256
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:05,600
bring up

2257
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:07,520
um today what any thoughts on that

2258
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:09,520
either one of you

2259
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,920
the lines are filling up by the way um

2260
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:12,960
you know i i don't

2261
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,040
i don't know i'm not sure i'm not sure

2262
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:17,280
what this report is gonna say i

2263
01:29:25,310 --> 01:29:21,199
i my hope is that uh anything

2264
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:25,320
short of uh complete transparency is

2265
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:26,719
unacceptable

2266
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:29,600
um to be honest with you i this these

2267
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:30,800
are our tax payer

2268
01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:33,760
pair dollars that are being spent here

2269
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:34,719
um

2270
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:39,840
everyone has the right to know

2271
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:42,080
yeah what do you think i think that i

2272
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:43,920
think that's a good point especially if

2273
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:44,480
they're

2274
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:48,080
especially if it turns out that these

2275
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:51,600
that personal interactions with with

2276
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:53,760
you know with beings or whatever are

2277
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:57,440
happening you know related to ufos um

2278
01:30:01,590 --> 01:30:00,000
then it would be unconscionable not to

2279
01:30:02,149 --> 01:30:01,600
let the public know this is happening

2280
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:02,159
and not

2281
01:30:05,189 --> 01:30:04,080
come up with ways to try to protect them

2282
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:05,199
or figure out what's hap

2283
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:06,719
what's happening to them what's being

2284
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:08,719
done to people and

2285
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,719
and what the what the intent is intent

2286
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:12,639
is everything right

2287
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:15,760
here and moreover

2288
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:19,120
if these are truly anomalous and we do

2289
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:20,000
know other countries

2290
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:21,679
are having problems with these china has

2291
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:23,840
its own uap task force

2292
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:27,280
now and this is a global problem

2293
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:30,320
and and depending on what the

2294
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,199
what's actually happening this could

2295
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:35,520
possibly be one of the biggest global

2296
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:37,840
problems that we face

2297
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:41,040
um and and i think it's

2298
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,800
important for this information to come

2299
01:30:48,070 --> 01:30:44,320
out we've had

2300
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:48,080
we've had 75 years of secrecy

2301
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:50,960
we've had 75 years of scientists not

2302
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:52,639
interested in studying the problem

2303
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:55,360
and at this point where we are just as

2304
01:31:01,110 --> 01:30:57,280
ignorant about what these things are

2305
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:01,120
as we were in 1947 which is really

2306
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:04,400
ignorance is a really bad state to be in

2307
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:07,440
um especially when you have a potential

2308
01:31:10,950 --> 01:31:08,960
serious problem and when when it's

2309
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:10,960
affecting people i mean so this is

2310
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:13,440
this is causing distress in pilots it's

2311
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:15,120
causing problems with the military it's

2312
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:17,600
causing problems with individuals

2313
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:20,560
and um and we need to do something about

2314
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:22,320
this we need to figure out what's going

2315
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:23,280
on

2316
01:31:29,669 --> 01:31:27,199
for the secrecy because

2317
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:29,679
you know in order to acknowledge this

2318
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:31,679
you also have to acknowledge the whole

2319
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:32,880
aspect of

2320
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:36,000
uh personal experiences and

2321
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:37,760
and then the question becomes well

2322
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:39,440
government what are you gonna do about

2323
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:39,840
it

2324
01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:42,320
and and one of the things i say very

2325
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:44,000
early in my book

2326
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:47,600
is that you know it it really sunk in

2327
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:48,400
with me

2328
01:31:51,990 --> 01:31:50,320
when i started having these experiences

2329
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:52,000
with beings in my room at night

2330
01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:54,159
that there was nothing anybody could do

2331
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:55,040
about that

2332
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:58,159
uh and i knew that i i knew that

2333
01:32:01,430 --> 01:32:00,000
i couldn't go to work and say hey

2334
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:01,440
protect me from this

2335
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,360
they can't you know and and

2336
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:07,199
so then the question becomes well what

2337
01:32:11,669 --> 01:32:08,639
are we going to do about it

2338
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:11,679
and uh that answer is not

2339
01:32:16,709 --> 01:32:15,120
is not clear you know

2340
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:16,719
yeah that's a good point and i think

2341
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:18,400
people don't appreciate the

2342
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:21,679
the the fear that

2343
01:32:25,350 --> 01:32:23,440
others feel when they have those

2344
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:25,360
experiences and and when you realize

2345
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,199
there's nothing anyone can do about it

2346
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:29,040
you can't go for help i mean who do you

2347
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:30,560
call for help you know i

2348
01:32:34,709 --> 01:32:33,360
you after the fact you tell the police

2349
01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:34,719
you know you tell

2350
01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:35,920
what's going to happen is you're going

2351
01:32:38,470 --> 01:32:37,360
to have to tell your psychologist is

2352
01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:38,480
what's going to happen

2353
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:41,280
and that's not going to be helpful so

2354
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:42,000
there

2355
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:44,800
a lot of people are really really suffer

2356
01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:45,600
from these

2357
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:47,360
these issues and it would be nice to

2358
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:49,840
know what's really going on

2359
01:32:54,310 --> 01:32:52,800
carrie thanks so much for the call thank

2360
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:54,320
you guys take care

2361
01:33:00,310 --> 01:32:57,679
thank you take care uh we have uh seth

2362
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:00,320
from wyoming on hold and welcome to the

2363
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:07,669
hey there seth you there

2364
01:33:13,270 --> 01:33:10,639
yeah are you there seth yeah hi you have

2365
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:13,280
a question for one of our guests tonight

2366
01:33:18,149 --> 01:33:16,320
you are on yeah yes i do

2367
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:18,159
okay yes i do i got two questions if you

2368
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:19,920
don't mind

2369
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:22,400
fire away uh the first one being thank

2370
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:23,120
you

2371
01:33:27,030 --> 01:33:25,520
the first one's for kevin uh i want to

2372
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:27,040
know what he would think

2373
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:31,440
of uh electromatic magnetic pulse

2374
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:34,000
and its effect on these moving objects

2375
01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:35,440
not that i condone shooting something

2376
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:37,199
down that doesn't mean us any harm

2377
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:38,320
i just want to know what you would think

2378
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:41,600
of the effects that's my first question

2379
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:43,760
uh so a very strong electromagnetic

2380
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:45,280
pulse and

2381
01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:47,280
an effect its effect on the living

2382
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:50,480
objects or the craft or

2383
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:52,639
right i mean it's yeah the craft i mean

2384
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:54,960
it potentially could affect the craft

2385
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:57,600
we it depends on how the craft operate

2386
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:58,080
and

2387
01:34:02,149 --> 01:34:00,400
um we don't know the answer to that at

2388
01:34:04,709 --> 01:34:02,159
this point so it may have a

2389
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:04,719
huge effect it may have no effect um

2390
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:05,280
that

2391
01:34:08,470 --> 01:34:08,080
i think would i really can't address

2392
01:34:11,270 --> 01:34:08,480
that

2393
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:11,280
um typically we use emp pulses to take

2394
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:12,880
out electronics

2395
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:15,199
so a huge electromagnetic pulse induces

2396
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:17,120
currents into your microchips

2397
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:18,800
basically burn them out so you can

2398
01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:21,920
destroy electronics that way

2399
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:23,920
they might not use electronics they

2400
01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:25,760
might use photonics with fiber optic

2401
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:26,560
cables

2402
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:29,040
in which case an emp poles would have no

2403
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:30,400
effect and their electro

2404
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:32,880
on their you know photonic systems if

2405
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:34,560
that's what they used

2406
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:38,159
so um so it's hard to say okay

2407
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:40,080
what's your next question and i guess my

2408
01:34:45,910 --> 01:34:42,159
second question is is how to

2409
01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:45,920
okay my next question is how to uh

2410
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:48,320
affect the conversation moving forward

2411
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:50,800
uh for instance i would love to see you

2412
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:52,320
and your other guest today

2413
01:34:57,109 --> 01:34:55,360
um have a podcast of joe rogan

2414
01:34:59,830 --> 01:34:57,119
moderating a debate between you

2415
01:35:00,950 --> 01:34:59,840
neil degrasse tyson and mick west so

2416
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:00,960
that we can address

2417
01:35:06,149 --> 01:35:03,840
all audiences all audiences would watch

2418
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:06,159
and

2419
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:08,320
it'd be a way to kind of debunk a lot of

2420
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:10,239
their uh

2421
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:18,149
yeah i think i think really quickly i

2422
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:19,520
think that

2423
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:26,239
scientific paper and had it peer

2424
01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:27,840
reviewed and published i would pay some

2425
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:28,560
attention

2426
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:32,080
posts or youtube

2427
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:34,400
youtube demonstrations of that this

2428
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:36,320
stuff was nonsense i mean we we studied

2429
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:38,320
this extensively we

2430
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:41,360
at scu seo put out a report where

2431
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:43,280
we looked at what happens to the

2432
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:44,960
accelerations if the sizes were

2433
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:46,400
different you know because we needed to

2434
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:47,920
know the size of the object to get the

2435
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:48,960
acceleration

2436
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:57,030
and even if the thing was four feet long

2437
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:59,040
then it would have accelerated at seven

2438
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:00,639
and a half g

2439
01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:03,119
which is still surprising with no heat

2440
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:03,920
signature

2441
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:06,960
so you still have something anomalous so

2442
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:10,480
so i don't you know but i i'm not

2443
01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:12,880
really i'll be honest as a scientist i'm

2444
01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:14,719
not willing to

2445
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:16,800
we we have a saying it's not it's not

2446
01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:18,560
helpful to put out brush fires

2447
01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:21,199
and um i consider that to be a brush

2448
01:36:23,830 --> 01:36:22,880
fire if he wants to publish a peer

2449
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:23,840
peer-reviewed paper

2450
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:27,199
somewhere and um then i then i'd be

2451
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:28,960
happy to take a look at it and really

2452
01:36:35,189 --> 01:36:32,560
really really dig deep kevin uh

2453
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:35,199
so along those lines why do you think

2454
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:36,880
the media is paying attention

2455
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,360
to mick west they i've seen them on you

2456
01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:41,280
know news shows

2457
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:43,360
they're they're you think they're just

2458
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:45,280
someone is just researching online

2459
01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:46,719
and say oh this guy makes a good point

2460
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:49,440
against it let's put him on

2461
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:51,440
yeah i think that's it i mean the media

2462
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:53,119
always has this feeling that they have

2463
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:53,520
to have

2464
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:56,320
both sides represented the problem is

2465
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:57,520
that both sides aren't

2466
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:01,679
aren't are often not equivalent and so

2467
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:03,520
yeah but that's how the media works the

2468
01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:04,719
media is interested in getting

2469
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:08,320
viewership so controversy is great

2470
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:11,679
exactly seth thanks for the call

2471
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:13,920
hey thank you all right thank you all

2472
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:14,800
right next

2473
01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:16,800
we have a rick calling from oklahoma

2474
01:37:23,590 --> 01:37:20,480
rick welcome to the show

2475
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:23,600
thanks for taking my call um i i

2476
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:27,360
i was just curious if um

2477
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:31,280
you feel that uh the military

2478
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:33,520
for those of us who have looked into

2479
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:34,560
this and i've i've

2480
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:38,560
i've been looking into this ever since i

2481
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:39,280
was

2482
01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:43,199
a child i'm 50 years old now and

2483
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:46,159
i've kind of seen this all come into

2484
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,000
white now and i see

2485
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:50,159
some scientists including yourself that

2486
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:51,760
are very interested in that and i'm

2487
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:53,440
excited about that

2488
01:38:01,270 --> 01:37:57,040
but it appears to me that there's a

2489
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,280
a large amount of research that was done

2490
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:03,760
or has been done by the military that's

2491
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:05,520
kind of kept in the background

2492
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:09,040
and i was wondering um do you feel like

2493
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:12,480
that that information is

2494
01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:14,320
that maybe the military has information

2495
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:21,109
willing to come out with it it almost

2496
01:38:30,229 --> 01:38:28,229
like the military itself is uh saying

2497
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:30,239
we've just discovered this too with you

2498
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:32,320
and here it is and what's all figured

2499
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:33,520
out together and it

2500
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:36,320
appears to me that they they know a lot

2501
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:36,960
maybe

2502
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:39,920
in the um in the scientific realm of

2503
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:40,880
this

2504
01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:43,679
obviously they can't or won't disclose

2505
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:44,239
um

2506
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,480
do you feel that that that's the case

2507
01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:48,400
that you're playing catch up

2508
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:50,239
uh that the scientific community that is

2509
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:52,560
interested in is is playing catch-up and

2510
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:56,000
and may not

2511
01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:58,400
ever get to the point there's 70 years

2512
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:00,239
behind what

2513
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:03,360
what the military has been doing with

2514
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:05,040
the subject

2515
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:06,880
i'll let i'll let matthew handle this

2516
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:08,719
one if you would matthew

2517
01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:12,080
um well i i think that you know

2518
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:14,800
uh the military probably does have a lot

2519
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:15,679
more

2520
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:19,440
uh information um but they're

2521
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:21,440
you know just like kevin said earlier

2522
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:23,679
there are a multitude of reasons as to

2523
01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:24,480
why

2524
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,639
that information cannot be released such

2525
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:28,719
as satellite imagery

2526
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:33,199
uh radar data and that's simply because

2527
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:35,920
you're going to be broadcasting to all

2528
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:38,480
of our adversaries what our capabilities

2529
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:38,960
are

2530
01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:41,600
and and that's that's kind of and i know

2531
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:43,119
i understand that

2532
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,320
you know everybody wants that data but i

2533
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:48,320
i don't think we're going to be able to

2534
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,000
get it what we have to do

2535
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:52,480
is uh we have to get scientists like

2536
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:54,000
kevin on board

2537
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:57,520
who can uh study this

2538
01:40:00,709 --> 01:40:00,080
who can use different types of sensors

2539
01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:00,719
that

2540
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:02,800
the military doesn't have classified

2541
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:04,719
behind closed doors

2542
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:06,639
because those those sensors are just as

2543
01:40:11,189 --> 01:40:08,000
good at picking this stuff

2544
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:11,199
up um and uh

2545
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:12,880
and i think that you can study it that

2546
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:14,480
way um

2547
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:16,400
but i i don't think that that's gonna

2548
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:18,320
happen until the government comes out

2549
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:20,719
and says yes there's something there

2550
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:23,280
you know and and that's that's the big

2551
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:24,800
question what are they going to say in

2552
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:26,159
this report and we

2553
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:29,520
we just don't know yet um we don't know

2554
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:30,159
and and

2555
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:32,080
absolutely i think you're right i think

2556
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:34,880
uh the scientific community is 70 years

2557
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:36,480
behind on this

2558
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:39,440
um and there are there are a multitude

2559
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:40,719
of reasons for that

2560
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,080
as well um but you know i

2561
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:47,199
i i i am a big proponent of the fact

2562
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:48,239
that okay

2563
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:51,280
you know this happened uh people have

2564
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,000
kept it a secret for 70 years

2565
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:56,719
let's just out with it let's forget

2566
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:57,600
about it

2567
01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:01,280
and and let's get on with figuring this

2568
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:02,239
out

2569
01:41:06,149 --> 01:41:05,360
um we don't we don't i i don't think

2570
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,159
it's helpful

2571
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:08,639
to rehash the past in other words the

2572
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:10,480
people who locked this up initially

2573
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:12,800
behind closed doors 70 years ago they're

2574
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:14,000
dead

2575
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:16,159
you know there's not going to be any

2576
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:18,159
accountability for that

2577
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:22,400
uh so so why why rehash that let's just

2578
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:25,600
let's have the real conversation now

2579
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:28,639
uh let's figure this out and get to the

2580
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:29,920
bottom of it

2581
01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:32,400
um and i think it's time for the

2582
01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:34,000
government to acknowledge

2583
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:36,320
uh that there is something there even if

2584
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:38,159
they can't come out with

2585
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:41,520
uh radar imagery and and

2586
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:44,960
satellite imagery i i think that's

2587
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:47,600
okay as long as they can start to get

2588
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:49,119
science on board

2589
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:51,280
uh with this that's all i want to see

2590
01:41:58,390 --> 01:41:57,270
yeah i would totally agree yeah i i

2591
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:58,400
totally agree and i

2592
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:01,440
i think um i think that's exactly right

2593
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:04,560
and the

2594
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:06,719
ways that the one of the best things

2595
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:08,880
that congress could do at this point

2596
01:42:14,310 --> 01:42:12,400
is to is to acknowledge that these

2597
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:14,320
things are interesting to rule out

2598
01:42:18,950 --> 01:42:16,880
the hypotheses that they can rule out at

2599
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:18,960
this point

2600
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:22,800
and to provide funding for scientists to

2601
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,400
study these things

2602
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:26,000
i think that would be the most important

2603
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:27,520
thing scientists aren't going to be able

2604
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:28,000
to study

2605
01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:30,320
them without funding you will need to

2606
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:31,040
get equipment

2607
01:42:34,629 --> 01:42:33,280
you're going to need to go you know

2608
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:34,639
place up skywatching

2609
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:37,760
systems and and collect data and and all

2610
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:38,239
of this

2611
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:41,360
and and scientists are

2612
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:43,199
busy doing other things you know we have

2613
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:44,719
funding to do other work

2614
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:47,280
so why do that work and so if you really

2615
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,880
want this to be studied

2616
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:50,480
um you need to provide some kind of

2617
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:52,000
funding and

2618
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:54,480
you know we heard from nasa

2619
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:55,280
administrator

2620
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,560
um bill nelson that he is

2621
01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:00,960
has directed some nasa scientists to

2622
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:03,040
study uaps now

2623
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:05,679
that's interesting to me because when i

2624
01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:07,520
was at nasa we had

2625
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:09,199
what was called full cost accounting

2626
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:12,000
where you weren't allowed to do any work

2627
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:14,480
on a topic unless you were funded to do

2628
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:16,639
it so you had funding through nasa to do

2629
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:17,840
this work

2630
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:20,239
so that makes me wonder what are the

2631
01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:22,480
funding mechanisms that

2632
01:43:26,310 --> 01:43:24,800
you know their use if they if they still

2633
01:43:27,910 --> 01:43:26,320
have full cost accounting like this i

2634
01:43:31,109 --> 01:43:27,920
don't know the details anymore i haven't

2635
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:31,119
been out of nasa for 15 years now but

2636
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:33,840
but if if the if that's how it works

2637
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,239
then

2638
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:36,800
what how are those who are those

2639
01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:38,960
scientists that he has working on this

2640
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:39,520
problem

2641
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:41,679
and how are they being funded to work on

2642
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:42,960
this and

2643
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:44,880
you know are those funding channels open

2644
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:47,280
to academics as well because most nasa

2645
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:49,440
funding channels are open to both nasa

2646
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:50,159
employees and

2647
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:53,440
academics so yeah those are important

2648
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:53,920
questions

2649
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:56,080
one more point one more quick question

2650
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:56,960
for kevin

2651
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:00,159
have you have you taken any look

2652
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:04,080
at the um at the videos and information

2653
01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:06,000
from mark mclandish

2654
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:09,199
who basically gives a description of

2655
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:12,320
a a blueprint on how to build

2656
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:14,960
an anti-gravity machine i i don't know

2657
01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:16,800
if you've worked into that but it's

2658
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:19,840
fairly interesting interesting

2659
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:21,600
information and if you haven't i i

2660
01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:22,960
challenge you to take a look at it his

2661
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:24,800
name is mark mclandish

2662
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:27,360
and i will i will get off the phone here

2663
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:28,960
no thank you no i haven't i haven't

2664
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:29,840
looked at that

2665
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:32,960
um there's another thing about

2666
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:34,080
scientists is there

2667
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:36,400
is a lot to study there's a lot to do

2668
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:37,440
and um

2669
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:41,360
we often play we often perform triage

2670
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:42,239
much like

2671
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:44,800
you know a somebody a medic in an

2672
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:46,639
emergency room does you

2673
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:49,360
you our triage is a bit different we

2674
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:50,560
look at and see

2675
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:52,719
is this a problem i can i feel i can

2676
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:54,480
make some headway in would there be some

2677
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:56,239
benefit to me for me to make headway on

2678
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:57,679
this problem

2679
01:45:02,149 --> 01:45:00,880
and um and

2680
01:45:03,350 --> 01:45:02,159
those are the problems you choose to

2681
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:03,360
study and that's one reason why

2682
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:05,199
scientists don't study ufos they

2683
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:07,199
look at and say i don't think i can make

2684
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,800
much headway on this

2685
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:10,400
i'm going to get ridiculed by my

2686
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:12,480
colleagues i'm going to i have no idea

2687
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:14,800
how to collect information on ufos

2688
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:17,199
i don't know where to start so that's

2689
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:19,600
and who would so let's fund that kevin

2690
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:21,440
yeah kevin who would find out who could

2691
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:22,719
fund something like that

2692
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:25,920
well certainly um nasa could the nsf

2693
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:26,400
could

2694
01:45:33,270 --> 01:45:32,080
if if you're looking for atmospheric

2695
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:33,280
effects

2696
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:35,679
um the department of the doe the

2697
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:36,480
department of

2698
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:38,880
energy could the navy could fund it the

2699
01:45:41,830 --> 01:45:40,080
air force could fund it

2700
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:41,840
so there are a lot of possibilities

2701
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:43,520
there yeah and

2702
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:45,040
something i was just going to say too is

2703
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:47,600
that we could we could task the task

2704
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:48,719
force to do this

2705
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:51,520
i mean yeah you you can have this task

2706
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:52,239
force use

2707
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:54,639
unclassified sensors and go out there

2708
01:45:58,470 --> 01:45:56,320
and look at these things

2709
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:58,480
um that that's not outside the realm of

2710
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:00,159
possibility and then hire

2711
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:02,480
scientists you know so maybe the answer

2712
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:04,480
is to fund the task force give them

2713
01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:05,440
money

2714
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:07,440
so that they can hire scientists

2715
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:09,920
psychologists whoever they have to

2716
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:12,800
um to study this um and take it

2717
01:46:15,430 --> 01:46:13,679
seriously

2718
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:15,440
and then those things don't have to be

2719
01:46:20,390 --> 01:46:17,280
classified

2720
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:20,400
systems

2721
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:23,600
oh that's a good point yeah good idea

2722
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:25,600
yeah i mean i you know if you really

2723
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:27,280
think about it and kevin i think i heard

2724
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:28,320
you say this

2725
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:31,600
you know this is most likely

2726
01:46:36,709 --> 01:46:34,880
would be the most the biggest thing that

2727
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:36,719
was ever discovered if we could actually

2728
01:46:39,910 --> 01:46:38,159
figure this thing out

2729
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:39,920
you know and i think a lot of people are

2730
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:41,840
feeling the same way about that

2731
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:44,560
now that it's so much in the news um you

2732
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:45,920
know there's a lot more curiosity

2733
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:47,360
there's a lot more people

2734
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:50,239
that are new that are emailing me that

2735
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:51,600
said hey look you know i just started

2736
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:52,960
looking into this and

2737
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:54,719
you know it's fascinating and you know

2738
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:56,960
asking me you know some questions or

2739
01:47:01,510 --> 01:46:57,920
advice or whatever

2740
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:01,520
where to go and um but anyway

2741
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:04,159
i i'm surprised that you know there

2742
01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:05,119
isn't

2743
01:47:08,229 --> 01:47:06,639
and i don't know who would initiate

2744
01:47:11,669 --> 01:47:08,239
something like this but

2745
01:47:13,590 --> 01:47:11,679
why isn't there you know really a big

2746
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:13,600
push like let's figure this thing out

2747
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:14,159
let's go

2748
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:17,760
the task force but i mean how aggressive

2749
01:47:25,830 --> 01:47:23,270
you know i mean is it just going to be a

2750
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:25,840
report and that's it and then

2751
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:28,560
you know move on like we've seen i mean

2752
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:30,239
i'm not going to say we've seen but we

2753
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:31,920
can look in the history of this

2754
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:35,600
phenomenon we see it happen many times

2755
01:47:41,109 --> 01:47:38,639
so yeah and and and um richard haynes

2756
01:47:42,149 --> 01:47:41,119
uh formerly of nasa has written several

2757
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:42,159
papers on

2758
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:46,159
the on air safety issues related to uaps

2759
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:47,440
and we've heard you know in the last

2760
01:47:49,590 --> 01:47:49,040
year we've heard several cases where

2761
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:49,600
you've got

2762
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:52,639
commercial pilots with you know ufa's

2763
01:47:56,149 --> 01:47:54,800
uaps flying up to their windscreen and

2764
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:56,159
then taking off again and

2765
01:47:59,510 --> 01:47:58,239
them having to veer off course or or

2766
01:48:01,990 --> 01:47:59,520
evade these objects

2767
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:02,000
when you got 200 passengers in the back

2768
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:03,280
and that should be a concern

2769
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,800
i mean we should be worried about that

2770
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:06,800
you know and of course the military

2771
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:08,159
ought to be worried about their pilots

2772
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:08,800
you know they

2773
01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:12,560
encountering these things too

2774
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:15,199
um right there there should be a lot of

2775
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:15,840
concern

2776
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:18,320
for those who are those who are involved

2777
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:19,840
with these things

2778
01:48:23,510 --> 01:48:21,360
right i didn't realize that we had a

2779
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:23,520
couple of callers still remaining

2780
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:26,880
sorry about that um yeah drew from

2781
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:27,760
toronto

2782
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:34,950
drew you there my the power just went

2783
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:36,080
out quickly here and i just

2784
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:38,480
i just heard from trump yeah it's going

2785
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:39,600
to be men in black

2786
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:40,960
yeah i mean they're getting us off

2787
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:43,280
tonight

2788
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:53,189
means for overcoming the instantaneous

2789
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:54,960
speed scene and

2790
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:58,400
g-forces and falls uh it seems like the

2791
01:49:02,709 --> 01:49:01,199
the major issue is overcoming inertia

2792
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:02,719
without turning the

2793
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:05,920
pilots into tomato paste or you know

2794
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,080
tearing the object apart so i was

2795
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:10,480
wondering if it um

2796
01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:12,639
would be with the idea of pulling

2797
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:14,560
space-time towards the object

2798
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:17,360
solve that problem and is that the same

2799
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,040
as a work bubble

2800
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:22,239
and um would there be a effect to a

2801
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:24,880
local observer

2802
01:49:29,189 --> 01:49:26,320
what was the last what was the last

2803
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:29,199
thing and there'd be what kind of effect

2804
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,800
uh it would if there would be a visible

2805
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:32,400
effect to a local observer

2806
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:35,119
saying somebody oh i see yeah certainly

2807
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:35,679
so

2808
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:38,880
and that that

2809
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:42,239
the the alcubierre

2810
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:45,520
warp drive concept is that

2811
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:48,400
you basically are pulling space-time

2812
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:49,199
toward

2813
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:53,440
pushing it out away from the craft

2814
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:56,480
in the back so the way that that's

2815
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:57,280
observable

2816
01:50:04,629 --> 01:50:00,719
is is by looking for doppler shifts

2817
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:04,639
so just as um gravity as you get as

2818
01:50:09,669 --> 01:50:06,880
light leaves a gravitational well

2819
01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:09,679
um you get what's called a redshift so

2820
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:10,159
the

2821
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:16,639
ship is going to create a redshift out

2822
01:50:19,109 --> 01:50:17,199
the front

2823
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:19,119
so if you look at the light coming off

2824
01:50:22,830 --> 01:50:20,800
of the craft it'll be more red in the

2825
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:22,840
front and more blue in the back

2826
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:25,199
basically if it's accelerating that way

2827
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:26,960
or if the object's hovering it ought to

2828
01:50:29,589 --> 01:50:27,760
be more

2829
01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:29,599
blue on the bottom because you're trying

2830
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:31,599
you're repelling gravity here and

2831
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:34,159
and pulling up here so it'll be red on

2832
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:36,239
the top and bluish on the bottom now

2833
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:38,320
and a regular observer probably wouldn't

2834
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:39,360
notice this but

2835
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:42,080
you could detect this if you had what's

2836
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:43,280
called a spectrometer where you

2837
01:50:47,589 --> 01:50:44,480
basically break the

2838
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:47,599
light up into its its constituent colors

2839
01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:48,639
and you can actually

2840
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:52,080
see the um the shift in the spectrum

2841
01:50:55,589 --> 01:50:54,000
you know um based on what side of the

2842
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:55,599
craft you're looking at so there is an

2843
01:50:59,830 --> 01:50:57,280
observable effect there

2844
01:51:01,910 --> 01:50:59,840
and in fact i i discussed this with lou

2845
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:01,920
elizondo at one point and he indicated

2846
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:03,520
that they had actually measured the

2847
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:04,480
spectra of

2848
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:06,800
some objects and found that to be the

2849
01:51:09,990 --> 01:51:07,760
case

2850
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,000
so they have some reason to believe that

2851
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:12,719
the um

2852
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:14,400
that these things are using some kind of

2853
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:16,560
warp drive but it doesn't appear that

2854
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:17,040
all

2855
01:51:21,109 --> 01:51:19,040
of the craft are or they're not always

2856
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:21,119
using it so there may be other methods

2857
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:22,480
of propulsion here

2858
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:25,040
just like just like we have diesel

2859
01:51:28,550 --> 01:51:26,159
diesel trucks

2860
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:28,560
you know gasoline-powered cars hybrid

2861
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:30,080
cars electric cars

2862
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:32,880
motorcycles we have many different means

2863
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:34,800
of propulsion

2864
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:36,239
excellent well i'm going to try to get

2865
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:38,320
this next caller and thanks so much

2866
01:51:42,790 --> 01:51:41,280
for the call and uh uh drew we're going

2867
01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:42,800
to bring in our next caller because we

2868
01:51:45,430 --> 01:51:43,360
only have

2869
01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:45,440
we have less than two minutes left so

2870
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:47,280
john from california you got a quick one

2871
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:49,440
for us

2872
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:53,040
yes um i just want to ask

2873
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:55,280
i just want to ask matthew or kevin if

2874
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:56,639
if the report comes out

2875
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:58,080
and let's say there's congressional

2876
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:00,800
hearings why couldn't congress

2877
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:04,000
give people like hal put off eric davis

2878
01:52:09,430 --> 01:52:07,040
and lou elizondo immunity from their nda

2879
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:09,440
just to say whether or not there are

2880
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:10,880
crash retrievals

2881
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:13,040
without endangering the security of the

2882
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:15,040
country could that be said yes or no

2883
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:17,040
there's art there are crash retrievals

2884
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:19,599
it's classified we can't talk about that

2885
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:20,080
but

2886
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:22,239
yes it's true and and giving them

2887
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:24,159
immunity would then

2888
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:25,679
you know open up the door for the

2889
01:52:30,550 --> 01:52:28,480
conversation i i understand we have okay

2890
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:30,560
and that's fine we got we got i'm sorry

2891
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:31,679
we have one minute left

2892
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:34,080
so well anyone wanted to go i i don't

2893
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:34,880
think that

2894
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:38,000
immunity would be necessary uh and it

2895
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:39,920
wouldn't necessarily be made public but

2896
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:40,960
congress def

2897
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:44,480
definitely has uh the ability to do

2898
01:52:47,830 --> 01:52:47,280
uh closed hearings so they'll have a

2899
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:47,840
hearing

2900
01:52:52,550 --> 01:52:50,639
with congressmen that are cleared uh and

2901
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:52,560
they will ask serious questions

2902
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:54,239
um that may not be available to the

2903
01:52:58,229 --> 01:52:56,000
public however but i think

2904
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:58,239
yeah yeah i i can guarantee you behind

2905
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:59,520
closed doors that's going to be

2906
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:01,119
happening

2907
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:03,840
excellent well thank you uh both so much

2908
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:05,280
it's been a real pleasure i've had a lot

2909
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:06,159
of uh

2910
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:09,360
fun tonight with you uh both and uh

2911
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:12,000
again uh i mentioned earlier contact in

2912
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:14,159
the desert is june 25th

2913
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:16,960
um through the 29th and it's online this

2914
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:18,480
year and you can see

2915
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:20,560
uh matthew there and kevin thanks so

2916
01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:22,400
much for uh fixing your computer so you

2917
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:24,000
can be on with us tonight

2918
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:25,440
thank you very much thank you for having

2919
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:27,119
me and that's a pleasure to meet you

2920
01:53:30,149 --> 01:53:28,000
matthew

2921
01:53:31,270 --> 01:53:30,159
thank you kevin all right to meet you

2922
01:53:32,950 --> 01:53:31,280
take care

2923
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:32,960
all right so next week we have preston

2924
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:35,599
dennett on and so check us out we'll be

2925
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:36,400
back

2926
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:38,400
and remember everyone to keep your eyes

2927
01:53:52,010 --> 01:53:40,770
to the sky thanks for watching